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Post by TMan on Oct 28, 2010 6:18:37 GMT -5
First a picture from their web-site: The link for the specs: www.legacysports.com/products/citadel/cit_woundedwarrior.htmlI was seriously considering this pistol, but then I got to examine one. The slide has what looks like a picture painted on it. Ruger did the same thing with the Texas version of the LCP. It just looks cheap. I think if they had just left the slide alone, but with the nice grips...
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Post by MLB on Oct 28, 2010 12:19:02 GMT -5
I'm not generally a fan of gimmicky special editions, especially those profiting from tragedy (aka 9/11 tribute type guns). Nice to see that at least this one donates something to those whose hardship is driving the profiteering. I'd be really impressed to know that the donation ($25) is at least as much as the profit, but I suspect that's not the case.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Oct 28, 2010 13:35:43 GMT -5
...You might consider on pondering on these thoughts : .....Why design a shooting pistol with all of this commercial hoopla attached to the finish ? ......Does the hoopla contribute to the usefulness as a sidearm ? ......Why pay more for something that won't contribute to a firearm's value in the long run ? (( Please excuse my crass on this topic; I have been engaged in one sided conversations with Hard Headed, Totally Ignorant, Illogical, Southern Liberals today, from The Democrat Slave Plantation ;D )) If Anyone Wants Apply Any Hoopla to Anything; Let Them Apply It To This !!!!
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Post by TMan on Oct 28, 2010 14:52:00 GMT -5
Hmmm, none of my firearms approach the price of the centerpiece over the mantel in the formal living room. It is artwork. I've bought several "firearms" because they are in fact artwork, and it took someone a long time or an expensive machine to create it.
Inexpensive artwork is just cheap, and the same applies to cheesy artwork on handguns.
You will recall my engraved Jennings that the gunstore owner did not want to sell me. He valued my friendship, and my value as a future customer, too much over the small amount of profit that he would have made on the gun. I had to convince him that I knew the gun was a piece of crap, but that I wanted it because of the artwork.
Why did I just buy the Walther Royal Scot PPK/s when I already had an engraved on in 380, another SS one in 32ACP, and a blued on in 22LR? Answer: A) Artwork, B)Stupidity, C) More money than brains D) All of the above.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Oct 28, 2010 17:51:05 GMT -5
For high end investment grade engraved Colts : Colt Master Engraver Gustave Young
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Oct 29, 2010 1:40:49 GMT -5
Citadel Wounded Warrior M-1911 At the Suggested Retail Price of $899.00 ? Citadel M-1911 Features: • Caliber .45 ACP • 5 Inch Barrel • Cast Steel Frame * • Forged Steel Slide • Skeletonized Hammer & Trigger • Series 70 Firing System • Novak® Style Sights • Extended Beaver Tail • Positive Grip Safety • Extended Ambi-Thumb Safety • Slide Stop with Grooves • Lowered & Flared Ejection Port • Comes with Two (2) Eight Round Magazines • Etched Slide; Engraved Grip Panels I will settle on the Forged Steel Frames of my Colts and if I want fancy commemorative hoopla added to it, I will place a pair grip panels to rise it to the occasion.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Oct 29, 2010 2:57:46 GMT -5
The website don't mention anything about the fire control components used, as to whether or not MIM parts are used or Steel, which makes me believe that parts used might be MIM. The Extended Beaver Tail and Positive Grip Safety are the same part, which leads me to believe that this pistol is made for newcomers. Another clue rests in the "Extended Ambi-Thumb Safety", which hinders the use of quick release thumb straps on carry holsters. This is perhaps the most misleading : "Novak® Style Sights"; What this means, the rear sight groove is cut in the slide to accept the Novak® Rear Sight, but it don't mention that the rear sight is a Novak® that is used on this pistol. At the Suggested Retail Price of $899.00 ? ..........Too much deception for the price ? ..........How could a novice ever tell the difference ? .....Is this just one of the benefits of having access to the Internet or What ? ;D
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Post by Callahan on Oct 29, 2010 7:09:17 GMT -5
Their description of the Novak sights, using the registered trademark symbol, is unethical, in my opinion.
Modified to add: Hmmm, I went to their site and notice they are "out of stock." Guess the fine print hasn't caught anyone's attention.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Oct 29, 2010 17:29:00 GMT -5
......Well; If I was to place that much money in my pocket, for the purchase of a 1911, I would walk away with a Colt and have enough left over for custom upgrades.
Novak® is a trademark name; They could stand the chance of having a lawsuit.
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Post by TMan on Oct 29, 2010 19:06:00 GMT -5
Note the registered trademark when they said Novak. They followed this with the word "style". I don't think there is anything illegal about that. However it shows how you need to read the fine print.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Oct 29, 2010 20:56:34 GMT -5
...TMan; " Novak® " refers to the Dove Tail Cut in the slide. The Novak® cut is made for Low Mount Rear Sights.
....The Bomar Rear Adjustable Sights has its own cut.
....This is very important when ordering new rear sights for your pistol
.....To a novice, he might see the word Novak® and get confused that he has a very special pistol, with all of the custom touches ( Bells & Whistles ) added in. ;D ;D
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Post by TMan on Nov 1, 2010 6:12:32 GMT -5
He had better not see Novak® on the pistol. Saying in a publication that they are "Novak® style" sights is one thing, but if you put the word Novak® on the sight, without their permission, you have a serious problem.
Now Novak can license another manufacturer to make sights with Novak's name on them.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Nov 1, 2010 9:26:28 GMT -5
.....TMan; Case in Point : The Wilson Combat CBQ has The Pyramid Low Mount Wilson Sight, which is seated in a Novak® cut.
.....Take Notice at the description (( " • Novak® Style Sights " )) and take a look when we leave out one word, - • Novak® Sights - this is what some might see, when looking at the description.
......The Novak® rear dove tail cut is pretty much the standard, for low mount rear sights but, does everyone know this ? Not without Google ;D
......This is my opinion on this pistol : For someone looking to spend less for a pistol that might look appealing to a novice; I recommend that you let a friend buy one first and shoot his pistol before making a commitment.
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