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Post by TBT on Mar 27, 2004 14:51:36 GMT -5
Can anyone give me some info and opinions on the Daly line of handguns? I really never looked into them, but they are competitivly priced and it is a well known name. What kind of quality can you expect from a Charles Daly firearm? Accuracy?
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Post by Callahan on Mar 27, 2004 16:13:19 GMT -5
Seems like many folks look at them, attracted by the price, and then go on and buy something else. I can't recall any member owning one but I think there may be one or two. They look good!
I also have looked at Armscor and Llama because of the cheap entry level to 1911, but never could bring myself to go there.
Does Charles Daly have a pistol that can compare pricewise with the Springfield GI or Mil-Spec? Hard to beat the Springer from what I can see.
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Post by MitchHankSauer on Mar 27, 2004 16:26:46 GMT -5
All I can say is Armscor and Charles Daly are inexpensive for a reason, which is fine if you are ok with that, and if that is the level of gun you are looking for. It definitely would denote entry level as far as 1911s go. You will get what you pay for, which may be good or bad, depending on how well the tolerances were practiced that day for the gun you buy. I would love to see the little guys in the industry make good and make it to the next level.
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Post by TBT on Mar 27, 2004 16:51:38 GMT -5
Well that is pretty much my question. Are the Daly 1911's a great deal ... or are they giving you exactly what you pay for?
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Mar 27, 2004 17:14:06 GMT -5
If you looking to Steal some good Steel at a Great Deal, you might find yourself limited in your expections of what a 1911 is about. In some new pistols, you do get what you pay for, which scares many at the thought of wasting money on some that are priced much less than others.
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Post by TBT on Mar 27, 2004 17:18:27 GMT -5
I'm not really planning on buying one and I really have no problem sheeling out money for a gun. Eh, my next gun might actually be a Kobra Carry, and those aren't cheap.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Mar 27, 2004 17:34:13 GMT -5
TBT; I would buy what I could live with for the next tewenty years, or so. I'm not much into trading pistols, so I always buy what I'm most impressed with, and stick to my guns after that. I'm glad to hear your not looking into a cheaper version of the 1911, because I would feel at a loss to recommend one. I like to see people get what they want in a handgun, no matter what the price involves. Whether it's new, pre-owned, or won in a poker game, I think every gun should last beyond the life of the average owner.
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Post by TBT on Mar 27, 2004 18:22:42 GMT -5
TBT; I would buy what I could live with for the next tewenty years, or so. I'm not much into trading pistols, so I always buy what I'm most impressed with, and stick to my guns after that. I'm glad to hear your not looking into a cheaper version of the 1911, because I would feel at a loss to recommend one. I like to see people get what they want in a handgun, no matter what the price involves. Whether it's new, pre-owned, or won in a poker game, I think every gun should last beyond the life of the average owner. Alright DA, here is a question for you. In your opinion, what is the most impressive all around 1911 pistol on the market right now? Wilson? Baer? Ed Brown? Kimber? Colt? Springfield Armory? |
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Post by Callahan on Mar 27, 2004 18:24:21 GMT -5
My new rule of thumb is I will "try" to never again buy a pistol if I have even a slight suspicion that I may eventually want to sell it. If I bought an inexpensive 1911 I know I would be buying it and thinking I would trade up in a year or two. I'm going to try to avoid doing that.
From now on, anything I get will be kept and eventually handed down to my sons.
(Or taken off my bloody, lifeless body! ;D )
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Post by TBT on Mar 27, 2004 20:37:15 GMT -5
Browsing the online stores and I have tyo say, the Baer 1911 Monolith is a d**n fine looking pistol! Something about this one that really strikes me ...
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Mar 27, 2004 22:06:52 GMT -5
TBT; Of the ones you listed, all are fine pistols but the ones that have impressed me the most are the ones which I've spent the most range time with, and those are the Colts, and Wilson Combats. A well fitted Colt is very hard to beat for the money, and the Wilson Combats are just hard to beat on any terms.
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Post by MitchHankSauer on Mar 28, 2004 1:44:11 GMT -5
The Les Baer 1911s I have always thought were d**n good looking 1911s! I don't know, is there something differently they do in the shaping of their 1911s or the blueing? I don't know, but they do look great in my opinion.
The only thing is... I have not heard many people talk about them, also in the few reviews I have read about them, the good is always good, but in the bad I have seen the owner's have always found them wanting or felt overpriced. Don't get me wrong, you have to take everything with a grain of salt, but that is the one funny thing about the Baer's that I have found. Just my observation.
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Post by Flipper on Mar 28, 2004 7:36:24 GMT -5
At one time Charles Daly & L.C. Smith were the finest shotguns goin'. One can't help but think that Charles Daly might be livin' off their reputation with some of the 1911's.
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Post by ronbwolf on Mar 29, 2004 9:13:07 GMT -5
I got a Charles Daly in a trade a while back. I disagree with most comments posted here. It certainly in not on a par with my Kimber, but it has fed all types of ammunition, and is certainly accurate enough. That's all I can ask of a gun. While I was waiting for the gun to arrive I had read several comments like those here, and was beginning to worry. But I was pleasantly surprised. Mine is the EFST, which may get better treatment by the Quality Control guys, but I like it fine. As for Colts, I don't buy them for two reasons, 1. I got tired of having to shell out $300-500 dollars on "tune-ups" to make them reliable, and 2. I resent their marketing protocols, i.e. no civilian sales.
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Post by Callahan on Mar 29, 2004 13:45:38 GMT -5
RON:
If you are a Kimber owner and still like your Daly well enough to keep it, that bumps my impression of the pistol up quite a bit! ;D
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Post by TBT on Mar 29, 2004 16:33:27 GMT -5
Gotta love the Kimbers ;D
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Mar 29, 2004 19:53:17 GMT -5
I know alot of people do not like Colts, whatever their reason. I have some that I modified, and I have a couple that I've done nothing to. For someone looking for bargains, I've found mine with the Colts.
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Post by ronbwolf on Mar 31, 2004 10:16:44 GMT -5
Callahan
I don't know enough about the company, like where they have them produced, or if they use different factories for the different models, but mine works fine, even with the Mec-Gar magazines, which was a surprise. It feeds everything from SWC to 200 gr.CCI hollowpoints, without a hitch. It is not quite as accurate as my Kimber, but is half the price.
BTW as for Colts, my problem with them is that they need so much work just to be useable. My last Colt was customized by Jim Hoag, (S&W rev. sights, ext. beavertail, ext.TS,Ext.SR, 30lpi front of frame, Sq. triggerguard, hardchrome etc.) and was extremely reliable, but easily $3000. today. (Sort of one of those "wish I hadn't sold it's") Anyway Colts Quality Control has been hideous for years, maybe under new leadership it will improve.
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Post by Callahan on Mar 31, 2004 17:22:52 GMT -5
Ron:
I think I've heard DA or Xavier say that the quality control has improved at Colt since the former Marine general took charge -- a-har!
Funny about the Mec-Gar mags. I hear bad things about them but I belive they make original equipment mags for some pretty well-respected pistol makers. Don't know what to make of that. Don't think DA has much good to say about them...
It's what came with my little Kel-Tec peashooter!
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Mar 31, 2004 20:32:12 GMT -5
I bought one of the newer Colt Re-Issued Series 70 Blued Government Models, and was lucky enough to snag one with a well fitted barrel and slide. After fitting an Ed Brown beavertail, a Dlask Trigger, installing a Nowlin Speed Demon Hammer, EGW Sear, Briley Disconnector, Nowlin Guide Rod, and new Wolff Springs, I had around $1100. invested in the pistol. Another that I purchased, during the change at Colt, is a Gold Cup Trophy with Bomar rear Sights; I've done nothing to this pistol, except shoot and clean it. The Series 70 has had over 1,000. rds with no problems, the Trophy has had over 2,000. rds without a single hitch in performance. One of my best Colts is a series 70 Combat Commander from the early 80's; It has accurizing and trigger work on it, but I have only $1,000. invested in it. My Officer's ACP is one that I would stand and shoot 500 rds at a time through. The carbon steel seems to be very durable and smooth in these smaller pistols, but I did install a guide rod with a double buffer because of the shorter recoil. Another one of my favorites is the original Colt Series 70 Combat Government. The Colts have a tremendous following of enthusiast who enjoy their steel, regardless of the finish or frills. The Stainless Colts of the National Match and Trophy are very smooth operating pistols, and I have been fortunate enough to have never experienced any disappointment while shooting either one. I love my Wilson Combat pistols, and I admit that I'm not fond of just any Colt 1911, by a longshot, but the Colts I own are not just any Colts. Those who do look for Colts, even the new Colts, should be very selective with their choice, otherwise it can lead to alot of disappointment. When you obtain a good one, you'll swear by it.
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