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Post by Ricochet on May 24, 2004 9:31:28 GMT -5
Ok, I'm not a 1911 owner (yet). But I am interested in you experts' feedback on models and features.
The Colt website is not the best for detailed info. I am trying to understand the differences between: - 70 Series - M1991A1 - XSE Series
What is the significance of the "70 Series firing system"? I also noticed the XSE has 8+1 capacity versus 7+1 listed for the other models.
I have sale $$ info that could get me the M1991A1 Commander (Matte Black) for $569 and the XSE Commander (Brushed Stainless) for $719. I am also looking at the Springfield Loaded (Champion size) 1911's as an option in the same sale price range.
I know some of you love to discuss 1911's anyway , so help me out here. ;D ;D
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Post by XavierBreath on May 24, 2004 14:15:15 GMT -5
- 70 Series No firing pin safety. Original style 1911. Easiest to detail strip.
- M1991A1 Firing pin safety. Four extra firing pin safety parts including the spring in a detail strip. The new ones are sweet.
- XSE Series Slanted slide serations, relief cut under trigger guard, a few other cosmetic "enhancements" that you may be able to do without.
My vote is for the M1991A1 AKA Series 80, or the NRM Colt. (NRM stands for New roll mark, as opposed to ORM which was the big billboard COLT 1991A1 on the slide) The Series 70 is supposedly easier to get a great trigger on, but my Series 80s have excellent triggers.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on May 24, 2004 17:00:35 GMT -5
The Series 80 safety system is by far the safest I've seen for the 1911, and I have two with triggers that breaks clean at 3 1/2 lbs. If you want anything lighter than that, you will be better off with a series 70. With the series 80, the trigger stirrup performs the dual functions of disengaging the sear, and the series 80 safeties levers; The Series 70 Trigger only disengages the sear, but both Triggers function the same in contacting the disconnector to release the sear from the hammer hooks. Whatever you choose, make sure it is a well fitted pistol, especially with the slide to frame and barrel lockup.
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Post by tddude on May 24, 2004 23:35:55 GMT -5
Any of you guys have any experience with Norinco 1911's? I have a friend with one and it has a serious problem. And no, this isn't one of those stories where the "friend" is actually me. The safety slips. He can force the hammer to fall when the safety is on. Is this a common problem? Are there any Armoror video's that he can order and will a video depicting a Colt work with this Chinese copy? I checked Numrich for parts but they don't even have a schematic for it. It shoots very well and should have much life left in it except for this one "tiny" problem.
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Post by WSB on May 25, 2004 7:15:12 GMT -5
I don't know if I would call a safety slipping a "tiny" problem.
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Post by XavierBreath on May 25, 2004 8:32:49 GMT -5
Any of you guys have any experience with Norinco 1911's? The safety slips. He can force the hammer to fall when the safety is on. Is this a common problem? Are there any Armoror video's that he can order and will a video depicting a Colt work with this Chinese copy? I checked Numrich for parts but they don't even have a schematic for it. It shoots very well and should have much life left in it except for this one "tiny" problem. I've never owned a Norinco, but it is my understanding that they are an authentic 1911A1 clone, made of good steel, and all Colt parts will fit. Is this the thumb or grip safety that is "slipping"? Whichever it is, it should be fixed. The real question is whether it occurs by pulling the trigger, or pushing the hammer. For pulling the trigger: The grip safety blocks the trigger. You can peen the blocking tab a bit to get a little extra length if necessary, but it may be easier to just replace it. It may also be sticking on the mainspring housing, or on the frame if the fitting is a bit off. The thumb safety blocks the sear. You can also peen this part to get a better engagement, but not as easily as the grip safety. I suggest replacement of this part if it is the problem. Wear on the sear can theoretically cause the thumb safety to not engage as well. For pushing the hammer: If the gun has had a bad trigger job, the hammer may not have enough of a hook left to engage the sear. The solution is to replace the hammer, and possibly the sear as well. I suppose a bad sear spring could do the same thing. My advice is to offer your buddy $150 for this extraordinarily dangerous gun. Then fix it for under $30 and shoot the hell out of it. Just tell yourself he doesn't need to own it if he will not or can not fix it. Save him from potential injury, but do it cheaply. Buy the pistol. He should be grateful you would be so concerned for his wellbeing that you would not only take on this dangerous gun, but actually pay to do so.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on May 25, 2004 16:24:58 GMT -5
The safety slips. He can force the hammer to fall when the safety is on. Is this a common problem? Are there any Armoror video's that he can order and will a video depicting a Colt work with this Chinese copy? I checked Numrich for parts but they don't even have a schematic for it. It shoots very well and should have much life left in it except for this one "tiny" problem. Td; If your referring to the thumb safety, it would be wise to inspect the engagement of the safety by taking out the grip safety, assembling the rest of the frame, and check the safety out. The engagement lug might be cut too far back, you can tell with the grip safety off. Forcing the hammer forward might have caused some sear nose damage as well. In the image, with the grip safety removed, the arrow is pointing to the locking engagement of the thumb safety to the sear.
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Post by tddude on May 25, 2004 21:22:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice and pictures. It is the thumb safety. I can't force the hammer to fall just by pushing on the hammer and the grip safety works just fine. I especially like the idea of giving him $130.00 for it and spending $30.00 to fix it. And yes, I was being facecious when I described it as a "tiny" problem. Take care and God Bless.
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