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Post by livnhel on Sept 20, 2004 3:01:21 GMT -5
Out of revolver with a 2" barrel is the .45 acp and .357 about the same? Any pro or cons? Thanks
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Post by NButler on Sept 20, 2004 6:44:13 GMT -5
Out of revolver with a 2" barrel is the .45 acp and .357 about the same? Any pro or cons? Thanks i would say they are not the same. but the use might help you decide. the .357 will have more foot-pounds of stopping power, but the .45 might be a little easier coming out of a 2'' barrell. i forget who, but i thought i read about someone have a .357 snubbie on this forum. perhaps they could give you some better insight. |
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Post by MLB on Sept 20, 2004 8:22:23 GMT -5
What 2" revolver is chambered in .45acp? I imagine you'd have to use moon clips?
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Post by livnhel on Sept 20, 2004 15:57:41 GMT -5
MLB it is the Taurus Tracker 2"revolver in .45 acp.The new 24/7 9mm holds 17+1 ..
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Sept 20, 2004 19:21:42 GMT -5
I've carried both at different times and find the smaller J-Frame 5 round lower profiling cylinders of the S&W, in .357 magnum, to be very concealable, light, and easy to draw from a holster. The two inch barrels shortens the draw and provides less for someone to grap at closer confrontations. The .357 magnum has alot of energy, capable of penetrating steel and auto bodies, while continuing on to it's intended target. I will carry either cartridge, but prefer the .45 acp in the slimer profiling semi-autos with full capacity self feeding magazines.
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Post by tptplayer on Sept 21, 2004 20:28:31 GMT -5
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Post by tptplayer on Sept 21, 2004 20:45:01 GMT -5
There is an article on this revolver in the March 2004 Combat Handguns. The surprise was that the velocity dropped less than expected when compared to a 5" Government Model and that accuracy was pretty good-under 3" groups at 50 feet for 2 types of ammunition.
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Post by Callahan on Sept 22, 2004 8:15:49 GMT -5
Either one is a good stopper, but the .357 is the No. 1 cartridge for stopping power. (It is a handful to fire in a small revolver, though.)
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Post by vito on Oct 24, 2004 10:51:43 GMT -5
I have a S&W 640 which I normally shoot with 38 special. I'm getting more confident in my ability to hit what I want, assuming it is fairly close (less than 5 yards). In 38 it is manageable, but once in a while I fire 357 mag since this is what I would use when carrying this gun. It is a real handfull! Recoil and noise and just plain shock to the firing hand is something not very pleasant. On the positive side, my accuracy is not much less than with 38's, and I have no doubt that even if I missed the bad guy, the noise from this little gun with this cartridge would likely put anyone to flight.
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Post by KrustyBurger on Nov 1, 2004 10:43:33 GMT -5
My Ruger SP-101 and S&W 649 are both shootable & accurate to one 3" ragged hole at close ranges, but you've got to be willing to practice with them. The web of my hand starts to go numb & smart after around 30-40 rounds of heavy, full house mags. I'd imagine a 2" .45 might not be quite as sharp, but also a bit less accurate. You pays yer money and takes yer choice of pain, lol. There's also little wrong with a compact like a Kahr in 9mm with effective hpt ammo.
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Post by vito on Nov 13, 2004 14:17:29 GMT -5
Is the stopping power of a 357 mag in a 2" revolver really greater than a 45 ACP from a 3" semi-auto ?
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Post by Callahan on Nov 14, 2004 0:49:16 GMT -5
The percentage difference between the two for a one-shot stop would be negligible, just a matter of a few percentage points. The .45 would be much more comfortable to fire, IMHO...  |
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Post by kynardsj on Apr 20, 2005 8:27:10 GMT -5
The other guys are right, the 45 would be much easier to control but look at it this way, from experience firing a 2'' 357, if you missed the badguy the muzzle blast would probably set him on fire. 2'' 357's are no fun to shoot.
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Post by TMan on Apr 20, 2005 11:18:44 GMT -5
... 2'' 357's are no fun to shoot. Yikes, I can just imagine. I have a Taurus .38 Special that I may never shoot again. It is a beautiful little revolver, but does it bite, and that is just with a 200 ft/lb muzzle energy. I can just imagine with the 535 ft/lb of the .357 Magnum. |
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Post by MLB on Apr 20, 2005 15:33:20 GMT -5
...if you missed the badguy the muzzle blast would probably set him on fire. ... ;D ;D ;D I read somewhere about a guy booted out of a range for setting his target on fire by shooting at a paper target at close range. |
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Post by Mountaineer on Apr 20, 2005 20:28:37 GMT -5
livnhel, I used to have a Rossi mod. 877 in .357mag. with a 2 1/4" barrel I think it was. The recoil was not near as bad as I thought it would be. With a 2" barrel in .357mag., you might not get enough velocity for reliable expansion, in which case I think I would want to start with a larger caliber, ie, the 45ACP. Just my opinion.
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Post by TMan on Apr 20, 2005 20:42:39 GMT -5
... With a 2" barrel in .357mag., you might not get enough velocity for reliable expansion... Mountaineer, I don't understand what you mean by this - can you explain in more detail? I'd appreciate it. In reagards to recoil: my Taurus is one of those light-weight numbers, which makes the recoil worse. I don't imagine that firing a .356M from a 2" cannon would have any recoil i.e. weight of gun is a factor. Shooting .357 in my Beretta feels like it has less recoil than shooting in the Colt Python, but it has a 7.5" barrel so it is a little bit of a apples : oranges comparison. |
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Post by kynardsj on Apr 21, 2005 7:14:40 GMT -5
You know, I was making a joke about setting the bad guy on fire but a guy setting his paper target on fire, I think I would have bought me a ticket to that show. Are we talking point blank range or what !!!
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Apr 21, 2005 15:33:55 GMT -5
Since the 2" Snub nose revolvers are designed with the purpose of concealment for defensive carry in mind; They should have a small enough frame for their intended purpose. A revolver chambered in the .45 acp would have to have a cylinder diameter large enough to accomodate at least 5 rounds of the large diameter .45 acp cartridge, while also being small enough to conceal comfortably.
With the .357 magnum, the extractor rod on the 2" revolver would not be long enough to fully extract the empty cartridge cases of the .357 magnum. Many times a 2 1/2" barrel is fitted to the frame, the extractor rod shroud is cutout for a longer rod, and a locking ball with a detent is incorporated in the yoke to frame for lockup.
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Post by Mountaineer on Apr 21, 2005 21:50:13 GMT -5
TMan, Normally the shorter the barrel the lower the velocity. A bullet that expands at say 1300fps. might not expand reliablely at say 1150fps. It's not always the case though. I read an article on a Marlin Camp Carbine in 9mm with a 16" barrel, and one load actually shot a higher velocity out of a 4" 9mm pistol, than out of the 16" barrel of the Marlin Camp Carbine.
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