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Post by tptplayer on Nov 27, 2004 13:30:27 GMT -5
At various times on this forum, we have had a favorite handgun poll. The IDPA did this by polling what was shot at the 2004 Nationals. For those who don’t know, the IDPA is slightly more “real life” that USPSA. (Note: I enjoy both equally.) There are no handmade “race guns” and no optics. Handguns are usually engaged from cover. The most widely used handgun was a Glock 34 with 43 competitors, the Glock 17 with 31 competitors and the S&W 625 with 29 competitors. However, lest the Glock owners get a big head, some form of the 1911 model is by far the most widely used with 107 competitors. Here is a list of all brands used by five or more competitors: Glock (95), S&W (56), Kimber (32), Springfield (24), Wilson (21), Beretta (14), Colt and SVI (12@), STI (11), Les Bauer (8), and Sig (5).
Statistics are taken from the Fourth Quarter IDPA Tactical Journal. Any mistakes are my own.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Nov 27, 2004 13:40:56 GMT -5
tptplayer; Can you provide a rundown on the most popular caliber?
I noticed when Bill Wilson first began promoting the IDPA he participated in this one match by using a Beretta 92, chambered in the 9mm. The 9mm has less recoil, with higher magazine capacities than most larger calibers.
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Post by tptplayer on Nov 27, 2004 19:44:35 GMT -5
9mm (142) just edges out .45 (134). The .45 revolvers keeps the "contest" close. IDPA does not allow magazines larger than stock production at the time of the ban. Stock Service Pistol (double action and mostly 9mm) are limited to 10 rounds. Enhanced Service (single action and 9mm to .41) are limited to 10 rounds also. Custom Defensive Pistol (.45 only and mostly 1911's) are limited to 8 rounds. Revolvers are limited to 6 rounds. The Beretta 92 is still relativley popular with 13 entries. The low recoil of the 9mm definitely makes it popular in the Stock Service Pistol division. However, the superb trigger of the 1911 makes it faster even with the larger caliber .45.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Nov 27, 2004 20:02:15 GMT -5
Having a factory stock 1911 chambered in the 9mm would be one to consider.
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Post by denfoote on Nov 28, 2004 2:03:18 GMT -5
Do they have a sub compact class??
My "real world" carry is the Glock 26!!!! ;D
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Post by tptplayer on Nov 28, 2004 5:41:00 GMT -5
DA- My reading of the statistics shows 18 people using a 1911 chambered for 9mm. Eight of those were made by Springfield Armory. These fit in the Enhanced Service Pistol Division.
denfoote- You raise a good and frequently discussed point. On the club level there is a division for small carry handguns but (I believe) it is rarely used. The G26 is legal but no one used one at Nationals. A few G19's were used. Most people realize that IDPA is a game. While it might increase ones ability to survive a gunfight, it is still a competition that people want to do well in. The stringent rules about are an attempt to keep the playing field more even and keep sanity in equipment. (Even so, I would love to have a custom built .38 Super with a red dot that holds 28 or 29 rounds for USPSA open division).
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Post by Fobos on Dec 1, 2004 23:07:31 GMT -5
Having a factory stock 1911 chambered in the 9mm would be one to consider. I am seriously considering getting Springfield's 9mm 1911 to use in competion. The trigger is fan-frickin-tastic, and I have become a huge fan of the 1911 in the last year. BTW, I recently picked up a Beretta (9mm) for local competition that allows the use of custom handguns. I've already given it the trigger job, and may soon be changing the sites. Other than that, it is ready for use. |
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Post by tptplayer on Dec 4, 2004 6:14:32 GMT -5
A Springfield 1911 in 9mm seems to me to be a great choice for IDPA. It would fall in the Enhanced Service Pistol Division. In USPSA you would be at a disadvantage competitively. You would need to compete in the Limited division and would be competing against handguns holding up to 17 rounds. Additionally, you would be scored Minor so shots just out of the A zone would be worth less.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Dec 4, 2004 10:27:34 GMT -5
tptplayer; I agree. Pitting a single stack pistol up against one with a double stacked capacity magazine, where more than twenty rounds are fired, would give the advantage of time to the one who changes magazines less often. Caspian is highly known for their wide body frames for the open class competition.
The beauty of the 1911 is the advantage of using a slide from one manufacturer, a barrel by another, a frame from someone else, a fire control system put together from five different manufacturers, a sight system of another, and three to five different pistolsmiths performing the work.
IDPA is designed to accomodate those who shoot the 9mm, where energy factors mean less as the other divisions of competition. There are classes of competition for anyone who wants to get into the shooting sports, whether one is geared toward Olympic fame or a street fighting gun game.
I wish more people in my area could have a different attitude regarding firearms; Most still think of the Gun as a killing tool.
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Post by TBT on Dec 30, 2004 22:12:33 GMT -5
I am seriously considering getting Springfield's 9mm 1911 to use in competion. The trigger is fan-frickin-tastic, and I have become a huge fan of the 1911 in the last year. BTW, I recently picked up a Beretta (9mm) for local competition that allows the use of custom handguns. I've already given it the trigger job, and may soon be changing the sites. Other than that, it is ready for use. I've got the SA 9mm and it is B-E-A-Utiful. ;D Being the Kimber nut that I am though I want that new Kimber they are putting out in 9mm. |
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Dec 30, 2004 23:42:24 GMT -5
I have most all the popular calibers except the 9mm; If I did, the 1911 would be on the top of my list to chamber it. The 38 Super would be a hum dinger to shoot too.
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Post by TBT on Dec 31, 2004 0:41:32 GMT -5
The 38 Super would be a nice one to get in 1911 too. I have the 45 and 9 ... now I need a 10 and a 38. ;D
After that I can start working on my Sig collection.
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Post by tptplayer on Dec 31, 2004 8:13:59 GMT -5
Double stack .38 Super is the choice of most USPSA open competitors. With the legal 170 mm magazines that hold 27 rounds, well-made hand loads and a red dot sight, a good shooter can put lots of major power factor shots down range quickly and accurately. One of my medium range goals is to purchase one or have one made.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Dec 31, 2004 13:55:08 GMT -5
The only 38 Super I have, happens to be a Sig 220. I lucked up on this gem through a long time friend and co-worker. In this pistol the 130 gr. Aquila 38 Super cartridges displays a wide powder flash from the muzzle, a firm recoil, excellent accuracy, fast follow ups, and a report just less than a 357 sig cartridge. I like it ;D
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Post by NeilCasper on Dec 31, 2004 23:07:44 GMT -5
My favorite handguns are K-frame S&W .38/.357 revolvers. Either 3" or 4" is ideal for me. I prefer blued guns but I can live with stainless steel. (Looks like I'll have to, soon.)
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Post by 5906tswpa on Jan 2, 2005 20:10:46 GMT -5
Of course, a S&W 5906tsw with 115g JHP. For IDPA, would use the same weapon but with 147g Ball.  |
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