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Post by Dutchtrs on Jan 6, 2005 14:51:45 GMT -5
I am seriously considering investing $650.00 in a new P99 .40 cal. After handling the Walther I was very impressed with the fit and finish as well as the light weight. The only other contender for me is the XD also in .40 cal.
In my opinion the Walther had better ergonomics, was lighter and frankly looked a lot sexier.
The gun will only occasionally be used for concealed carry (Thunder .380 is my "always" gun). But I am concerned about its permissability for competitive pistol competition ie; its ambiguous single/double action classification. I welcome any and all feedback.
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Post by MLB on Jan 6, 2005 16:38:54 GMT -5
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Post by TMan on Jan 6, 2005 23:42:08 GMT -5
If you decide on the P99, get the Walther not the S&W version. I read a magazine article that compared the two only to find out that the Walther was more accurate. Don't shoot me MLB (I know he has a gun ;D ), but I would go with the XD rather than the Walther. I shot one, and borrowed it to take my CHL test vs. using one of my own guns. The trigger pull was a little heavy, but I sure was comfortable with it, and shot better with it too. Before plunking down $650, you might want to check with: www.sportingarms.com/results.asp?mfr_name=79&category_descr=2&subcategory_descr=36&max_price=&keyword_descr=&B1=Submit&page_no=1Of course you would have to add shipping and FFL transfer fees, but that still might be less than sales tax. I've dealt with them a lot, and have been completely satisfied. |
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Post by MLB on Jan 7, 2005 10:19:50 GMT -5
Good post TMan ;D I was hoping someone would comment on the XD. I'm no salesman for Walther. I like the thing, but if you read my review, you'll see that I'm certainly not a cheerleader for it. Anyone who has the mentality that "it's good for me, so it's the best for everyone" isn't giving you good advice IMO. Regarding the comparison of the Walther to the S&W version; I've read that too (especially from rabid Walther fans). But the reported difference in accuracy of about 1/4" or so was almost negligable to me. My groups certainly aren't that consistent. I didn't comment on the price initially. I think $650 is a bit high. I got mine for $600, and I didn't think that was the best deal either. I personally have very limited info on the XD. There's probably a few reviews in our Critique section. The comments I hear are almost always positive other than reports that the finish may not be very durable (holster wear problems). That and it it looks ugly next to a Walther  Sorry, couldn't resist... |
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Post by TMan on Jan 7, 2005 13:18:57 GMT -5
... That and it it looks ugly next to a Walther... Okay, listen, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and it is all quite relative. You think something is beautiful until it is compared to something more beautiful. The same is true of ugly. I own a Ruger P90. Next to it - anything else is beautiful. Oh, but I do love the P90 I just wear a disguise when I shoot it so no one will recognize me. ;D |
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Post by BlueSteel on Jan 7, 2005 15:53:13 GMT -5
I also have a walther p99 but in 9mm and I love it. The trigger took a bit getting used to but after I got the hang of it I didn't find it to be a disadvantage in any way in my shooting. The rails however are a bastard size so if you are looking to mount a m3 light on it I dont think you are going to have any luck. I personally don't have any experience with the XD but I have heard good things about them. If I could go back in time however I would have not purchased the p99 but I would have gotten a brand new sig p226 instead because up here in Canada I can get one for the same price as I paid for the p99 (about $1000 canadian last year). Nothing against the p99 tho I just have a thing for sigs now, maybe it would have been the other way around if i had gotten the sig, you never know. Good luck with your decision  |
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Post by Dutchtrs on Jan 7, 2005 21:54:02 GMT -5
Thank you all I appreciate the input.
So. TMan this sporting arms online store is legit? The prices are very impressive and if you realy do get what you pay for it sounds like a heck of deal. Can anyone spitball a figure one might expect to pay to a local FFL for recieving and transfering the gun? Do I avoid sales tax since I'm purchasing out of state? Are their any other hidden fees associated with buying on-line?
Has anyone else purchased from Sporting Arms or had any experience with them...Will I ever stop asking questions..?
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Post by Callahan on Jan 8, 2005 2:43:59 GMT -5
Dutchtrs:
Welcome!
I can't address the Sporting Arms legitimacy question but I can say you can expect an FFl holder to charge about $20-$25 for a transfer. The store I use in Houston charges $50, which is very high. (Don't think he wants to mess with them. He has a huge inventory.)
A lot of sites will refer you to an FFL holder in your city that they have used before, or, you can do a Google search.
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Post by TMan on Jan 8, 2005 9:55:03 GMT -5
... So. TMan this sporting arms online store is legit? The only "problem" I've had with them is that sometimes it can take a week to get something. This is because they don't carry a whole lot in inventory. I'm guessing maybe 500 guns in inventory? They move a lot of merchandise and make their profit on volume. Since they don't have a high overhead, they are able to do this. I've met the owners personally, and have even used them as a Transfer Service because they are only about 20 miles from my home and they change $15 for a transfer. The longest wait I ever had was two weeks because they had a hard time finding my S&W 41 with a 7" barrel. Some of exotic stuff I wanted - they just told me: "It isn't available". I highly recommend them. |
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Post by 5ontarget on Jan 8, 2005 23:07:16 GMT -5
I own a Ruger P90. Next to it - anything else is beautiful. Even a Hi-Point? I own a XD in .357sig. I too considered the Walther for a while. I agree, the Walther looks nicer. I was really close to buying it, then I got to looking at the xd's. fondled it, shot it, bought it. still really like it. As mentioned, the finish isn't very holster friendly. Armadillo really helps reduce the wear. It is a paste/hard waxy type product that you rub on the finish. Or you could shell out some more bucks, probably still less than the Walther, and get a bitone xd, or have a black xd refinished with a harder finish. Fun story about my xd, my friend shot 2 mags through it and bought a .40 at the next gun show. ~$420 |
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Post by Dutchtrs on Jan 8, 2005 23:43:04 GMT -5
"Even a Hi-Point?" LOL
...Probably the most god-awful looking weapon ever devised. It has the ergonomics of a brick, but it was the first gun I ever purchased (about 5 years ago) I still shoot mine regularly and have enjoyed it very much. After the first 25 rds. never had a problem with it. But dirt cheap, and embarassing to show up with at the range. I always feel like I have to make an excuse when I pull the Hi-Point out of the case...like I owe everyone an explanation...."Uhh...left the Baretta at home next to my Kimber...this isn't even realy my gun...I'm holding it for a friend......". But shoots 2.5" groups at 25 yards and always goes BANG when I pull the trigger. So a good gun I guess.
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Post by TMan on Jan 10, 2005 9:53:44 GMT -5
"Even a Hi-Point?" LOL ..."Uhh...left the Baretta at home next to my Kimber...this isn't even realy my gun...I'm holding it for a friend......". But shoots 2.5" groups at 25 yards and always goes BANG when I pull the trigger. So a good gun I guess. ;D Good one Dutchtrs. I didn't think the Hi-Points were ugly. I picked one up once to look at it - it fit my hand well - I considered it. Then I asked if I could pull the trigger. Had I not done that, I probably would have bought it. I may still buy one some day, but for now there are a lot of other guns I'd rather have. I would consider any gun that doesn't jam to be a good defensive weapon. Accuracy? I don't think it matters all that much in a defensive weapon, unless you are a member of law enforcement in a long range shootout. I guess then it would be an "offensive weapon". I know the little Seecamp (.32 ACP) is considered defensive, and doesn't even have sights on it. One of the things my handgun instructor taught was to not bring the gun up to eye level but to mentally extend a line (like a laser) across the top of the gun and point at the target. Amazing how well this works with a little practice. |
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Post by NButler on Jan 19, 2005 11:59:33 GMT -5
"Even a Hi-Point?" LOL ...Probably the most god-awful looking weapon ever devised. It has the ergonomics of a brick, but it was the first gun I ever purchased (about 5 years ago) I still shoot mine regularly and have enjoyed it very much. After the first 25 rds. never had a problem with it. But dirt cheap, and embarassing to show up with at the range. I always feel like I have to make an excuse when I pull the Hi-Point out of the case...like I owe everyone an explanation...."Uhh...left the Baretta at home next to my Kimber...this isn't even realy my gun...I'm holding it for a friend......". But shoots 2.5" groups at 25 yards and always goes BANG when I pull the trigger. So a good gun I guess. this is not a flame or me trying to make fun of the hi-points... i think you should consider doing a critique in the forum for the hi-point. it would be nice to have a well rounded group of firearms from all ranges of price, type and quality. If the hi-point performs like you say, then i am impressed. I have only heard negatives from people who have probobly never fired one. It would be nice to see a fair assessment of that handgun. |
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Post by Callahan on Jan 19, 2005 13:24:19 GMT -5
I've heard good things about the Hi-Points. Nobody seems to like their looks, but apparently they shoot well. Probably OK until you can afford something with more quality. I did similar in buying a Bersa.
I have also heard good things about the EAA Witness semi-autos. I knew someone who had one of their revolvers, though, and he wound up giving it away.
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