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Post by Data on Feb 12, 2005 13:10:17 GMT -5
CZ75 versus Taurus PT92
While out last weekend I ran across this CZ75BD (its the SA/DA decocker version). It didnt look like it had ever been fired mush less carried. Trigger felt smooth and the grip felt much better in my hand than a Beretta 92/Taurus PT.
Used with no box, one 10 RD clinton mag and one aftermarket 15 RD mag. $320.00.
Since then Ive been reading up on this model and I must say Im impressed.
I was needing a 9mm for cheap target shooting and had been thinking about a PT-92 with Tac rail (for added weight).
Now from what I read the CZ-75 is more accurate, better made, underrated, and cheaper. I would be giving up a stainless steel finish and not much else.....
I think I can swing the cost if its really that good a buy....opinions please?
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Post by TMan on Feb 12, 2005 16:36:23 GMT -5
Data, the only complaint I've had with mine is that the trigger is not smooth. I don't shoot it myself, but let others use it. It has never had a failure in approximately 500 rounds. It impressed me as a well made pistol, which is why I bought it. New you can get one for $389 plus shipping and FFL transfer. However, new might have a trigger like mine vs. like yours. I bought mine at Academy, where they have locks on the triggers so I couldn't dry-fire it. I don't buy guns there anymore. If there aren't any scratches or wear marks, then $320 out the door probably isn't a bad price. Compared to the Beretta/Taurus - I'd buy the CZ in a heart-beat. Although I've shot several of the 92's and their clones, I've never shot well with them. Also, to me when the gun is locked and you can wiggle the barrel around... Although, I do understand there is a company that now makes a bushing for the front to prevent that. In spite of the trigger on mine, I'd still buy another one. I do not own nor would I buy the Beretta. Now the Beretta Stampede...  I'll probably buy another one of those this year. |
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Post by glock19er on Feb 12, 2005 18:26:45 GMT -5
cz is not as good as a high point 9 .high point is the best 9 made end of discussion
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Post by Data on Feb 12, 2005 19:05:05 GMT -5
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Feb 12, 2005 19:23:53 GMT -5
After many posts about TMan's Stampede; I get the feeling he really enjoys this gun, although in reality, it was made by the Uberti, a subsidary owned company of the Beretta Group.
I would cast my vote for the CZ because I'm fond of the rail system.
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Post by klmhq on Feb 12, 2005 19:47:17 GMT -5
If you'll tell me where that deal is, I'll save you the trouble of having to make it... <grin>
Kev
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Post by Data on Feb 12, 2005 21:15:33 GMT -5
If you'll tell me where that deal is, I'll save you the trouble of having to make it... <grin> Kev There is a little hunting store in Aiken SC on Aiken Augusta HWY that doesnt get much hand gun traffic. When you go in there and try a "trade" the owner will flat refuse but offer to put the gun on consignment for you..many take him up on the offer. This arrangement yields more money for the seller and a cheaper price for the buyer....and it works out great when folks bring their only very sightly used weapons in hoping to get long guns or hunting gear. Ive bought from there before but usually he doesnt have much to choose from and the situation only comes up a few times a year. I stop in there about once a month just to see. Its called "Hooties".  |
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Post by TMan on Feb 12, 2005 23:06:39 GMT -5
After many posts about TMan's Stampede... Okay, Okay, DA, you are old enough to know what a broken record sounds like - sort of like me with the Stampede. I PROMISE I won't mention it anymore, but I just looked up the price to make sure, and it is a $399 gun. The action isn't as good as some tuned Colts that I've handled, which have a $2,000 price tag. Their trigger pull is better and cocking their hammer is smoother and efortless free. $399 or $2,000. The Stampede is a great VALUE. I spent more than twice that on the Colt Python, and ... never mind - you don't want to hear this. I just haven't been this impressed with anything since I bought the BMW M3. I'm still ticked at my wife for insisting I traded it in. Hey, I think I just got in touch with my femine side - made a promise I'll probably never keep. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by glock19er on Feb 13, 2005 6:09:15 GMT -5
looks like iam going to ignore this forum.talk about a dead site ;D
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Post by 5ontarget on Feb 13, 2005 9:42:07 GMT -5
Of the choices listed, I'd buy the CZ. I think they are better made. Aftermarket parts are easier to find for the berreta/taurus, but that may not be a factor for you. As far as an "investment" I think if you go to sell/trade the CZ later on down the road, you'll do better than you would with the other two.
I've shot the taurus, and I shoot it pretty well, never shot the CZ, but handled them a bunch in shops and shows. I like them more than the taurus, and a MUCH better buy than the berreta in my opinion.
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Post by MLB on Feb 13, 2005 9:56:05 GMT -5
looks like iam going to ignore this forum.talk about a dead site ;D Glock19er, You are welcome to post your opinions, and we're happy to have them here. But if you're frustrated because you are looking to start a pissing match here, you'd do better to make good on your above offer. This forum just dosen't have those type of folks here. Maybe I've interpreted your posts poorly. If so, I hope you take no offense. I hope you decide to stick around. MLB |
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Post by Data on Feb 13, 2005 13:13:10 GMT -5
Glock19er, You are welcome to post your opinions, and we're happy to have them here. But if you're frustrated because you are looking to start a pissing match here, you'd do better to make good on your above offer. This forum just dosen't have those type of folks here. Maybe I've interpreted your posts poorly. If so, I hope you take no offense. I hope you decide to stick around. MLB I would like to Second this post since I am the one who started the thread and responded about ignoring. |
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Post by Misfit on Feb 14, 2005 13:52:05 GMT -5
I have been very happy with my CZ-75b. Mine's not the decocker version, but over the time I've had it, it's been completely free of malfunctions. The trigger is a bit mushy, but if that's a bother, I'm sure a gunsmith can tighten that up a bit.
I bought my CZ at a time when I had a veritable fever for acquiring a 9mm handgun. My budget was tight, and while I liked the Sigs and the Beretta, I didn't like the price tags attached. I saw that there was this CZ-75 on sale for about $350, along with the advertisement that it was a standard handgun in many police forces around the world. Well - if it's good enough for Czech cops, it's probably a d**n fine weapon, I reasoned. So, I went and bought it, promarily on price considerations.
My first trip to the range sold me on it further. At the outdoor range where I frequent, they had a bunch of steel circle targets set up, and I proceeded to plink away at them. Lo and behold, I hit 'em all - and wasn't trying that hard! After that day, the CZ will be one of the last guns I'll ever part with.
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Post by TMan on Feb 15, 2005 15:53:22 GMT -5
Somewhere, I read about a "quick trigger job". Of course it only works on guns that have an external hammer. What you do is dry-fire it a couple of times while applying pressure to the hammer (not a ton of pressure, you don't want to break anything). So, wondering what I was going to shoot at the range today, and the conversations about the CZ75B, I dug it out. Tried it, and the gritty trigger was gone.
We went to a range that has metal plates that you knock down. After about 20 rounds with no plates knocked down, I handed it to my buddy. He shot a couple of magazines and handed it back to me and said it shoots to the left (good for him - a Democrat). I then aimed to the right and proceeded to knock down plates.
The thing I don't like about the CZ75 is the total disassembly. According to the AGI video, you need two slave pins to reassemble it. So, I've been hesitant to tear it apart. However, the quicky fix for the trigger sure worked.
I'm a recoil sensitive person, and I never noticed any recoil with the CZ75, but I will add that I have a Buffer Technologies shok-buffer in it. The CZ75 really is a nice gun.
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Post by Data on Feb 18, 2005 1:21:18 GMT -5
Get this...I offered they guy who has it on consignment $275.00 for it.
I looked at it again and it could pass for brand new. The shop owner said its been sitting there since September (this is a hunting shop in a very redneck area, I doubt most of the guys going through there know what they are looking at).
Oh about the offer for $275...he is "thinking about it" ;D
If it works out Im going to check into gettint the .22 conversion "kadet kit" that I keep hearing about....would make for an excellent value in a weapon I think.
I hear the guns are nails tough, very accurate, and glock reliable...and high caps are readily available.....cheap.
Nice.
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Post by TMan on Feb 18, 2005 14:33:37 GMT -5
If he takes it, he is desperate. He won't get to pocket the whole amount because he will have to give the store something for having it there on consignment. Personally, I wouldn't take less than $400 for mine. It hasn't been shot a lot - just enough to ensure it works perfectly, and now that the trigger isn't gritty anymore...
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Post by KrustyBurger on Apr 23, 2005 4:02:50 GMT -5
My 75B 'Turkish military' DA had an excellent trigger pull right ootb. Reportedly, malfunctions have cropped up from people dry firing those 75s with the hollow roll pins holding the breech/fpin assemblies in the slide - it isn't recommended. I've never heard of doing a home-grown "trigger job" by dry firing it. At least use a snap cap or you might regret ruining an otherwise fine bargain.
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Post by TMan on Apr 23, 2005 8:48:38 GMT -5
.... I've never heard of doing a home-grown "trigger job" by dry firing it. At least use a snap cap or you might regret ruining an otherwise fine bargain. KrustyBurger, when I say dry-fire, I assume that everyone knows they should be using snap-caps. Concerning the quick and easy trigger job: www.gunblast.com/Poorboy.htmI mentioned this to the manager of the Fine Gun Room at Bass Pro Shops, and he laughed and said they used to do it all the time. Confession time: After buying the Walther P22, I was quite unhappy with the trigger. So in the middle of a enormous brain fart at the range, I reached up with my left thumb, applied pressure to the hammer and pulled the trigger. I think God provides special dispensation for fools. My thumb hurt like crazy after the slide and hammer came back, but there wasn't any blood and I didn't break the thumb. I felt like taking the gun and beating myself in the head with it. How could I do something so stupid. Moral of the story: only do this with snap caps and not with live ammo. You can get away with live ammo in a revolver, but not in a semi-auto. |
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Post by Seraph on Apr 27, 2005 17:49:58 GMT -5
You heard right, Data, except that the CZ 75 design predates the Glock, so one might say the Glock is CZ-reliable.
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Post by KrustyBurger on Apr 29, 2005 1:18:08 GMT -5
I agree, dry firing will help to smooth and seat any pistol's lockworks. Just wanted to pass the snap cap heads up from CZ's own forum along because though relatively rare, instances of rollpin damage, which impeded firing pin travel , have happened. (Older SIGs, too.) Heck, my own CZ's pulls are so unusually lite, I inadvertently touch it off empty way too often, & then cuss myself out every time, lol.
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I'll probably buy another one of those this year.
