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Post by 5ontarget on Sept 3, 2005 16:18:53 GMT -5
I read this on another forum. It looks like the .45 is returning to the US military, by some 645000+ The general specs... .45acp Length less than 9.65in width less than 1.53in 8+ rounds integral MIL-STD-1913 rail Mean radius of 10 shot group at 50m no more than 3.15 inches Suppressor kit w and w/o safety double action/single action (DA/SA) or double-action only (DAO) including Striker-Fired Action (SFA) more details... www.fbo.gov/spg/ODA/USSOCOM/SOAL%2DKB/H92222%2D05%2DR%2D0017/listing.html |
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Sept 3, 2005 21:29:23 GMT -5
It will be interesting to find out which pistols have been submitted for testing, and the results of those tests. |
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Post by 5ontarget on Sept 3, 2005 21:45:15 GMT -5
The first makers that come to mind H&K USP, Paras, and Sigs would be the closest in current production.
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Post by TMan on Sept 3, 2005 23:02:48 GMT -5
What ticks me off about the Federal Government is that I'm sure they know exactly the pistol they are going to give the contract to, and they have written the specifications to fit it. I'm not a big fan of our federal government from an operational standpoint. I held two civil service jobs: one with the Department of the Air Force and one with the Department of the Navy. I spent 4 months on each job, and I hated, hated, hated, it. People just weren't working. When I left the last job, I took a 20% pay cut. I had just bought a new car and my wife had a baby. My step Dad thought I'd completely lost my mind, but I just hated the job and didn't have any respect for myself, and far less for the people I "worked" with. I have spoken. I will shut-up and go to bed.
All the criticism about the handling of the hurricane/flood by the federal government (FEMA) - what did you expect from federal employees. There may be some good ones out there but I never saw them in my dealings. Am I still up? I thought I was going to bed!!!
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Post by Locknload on Oct 7, 2005 1:32:08 GMT -5
Should have never got rid of it to begin with.  Here is the Marine Corps Special Forces unit's answer to the dilemma. |
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Post by TMan on Oct 7, 2005 2:45:54 GMT -5
Hey, those look like the Kimber grips. Who is the manufacturer?
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Oct 7, 2005 2:52:25 GMT -5
TMan; I think that one is called "The Desert Warrior" from Kimber.
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Post by TMan on Oct 7, 2005 2:58:52 GMT -5
Hey, I would expect the Marine Corps to carry an American made pistol. You are right, I blew-up the picture and it does say Desert Warrior on the slide, and below on the frame above the serial number you can make out NY U.S.A.
DA, you going to stay up all night and keep me company?
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Oct 7, 2005 3:04:25 GMT -5
I cheated on the Kimber; I right clicked properties on the picture.
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Post by MitchHankSauer on Oct 7, 2005 10:20:22 GMT -5
This is great, I love seeing the return of .45 acp into all areas of LE or military.
What makes me laugh.... whenever some guy at work comes up to me asking, "Hey I heard your a shooter, what do you shoot, a Beretta 9mm?"
MHS
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Oct 7, 2005 12:46:13 GMT -5
When I was in the Army; I had a hard time obtaining .45 acp cartridges from ammo supply. The rifle, machine gun, and M-79 greenade launcher ammo was everywhere but because the .45 acp was considered to be a last ditch resort, or very close contact weapon, ammo was a little more scarace. The availability of the .45 acp conflicted with my target practice, and this bothered me.
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Post by MitchHankSauer on Oct 7, 2005 14:51:21 GMT -5
Hmmm. That sounded like a cluster *uck, I guess McHale or "Sgt. Petersen" wasn't on the job.  Seriously, that's too bad, you would figure supply of munitions would not be factor when it comes to practice for the troops. In a defensive close quarter mindset that is why I like the .45acp. I hope that what you experienced DA will not be the same in today's Military. MHS |
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Oct 7, 2005 17:57:15 GMT -5
Mitch; The .45 acp has always been in short supply overseas. During WWII many troops found it easier to obtain 9mm ammo, so many found pistols to chamber the 9mm. There was another guy, where I was at, who had a captured 9mm pistol that he used captured 9mm ammunition with. I doubt if things will get much better, unless certain elite tactical units are supplied ample amounts of .45 acp for primary weapon applications.
I know if I was still in, I would request a private owned sidearm and turn up the heat on acquiring ammunition through the Army-Air force Exchange if needed, or arrange to have some georgia - arms loaded Gold Dot +P shipped to my apo address.
There are many servicemen on active duty handling life or death situations, with the most modern of conventional military weapon designs within an arm's reach. However; when they return home they find out they have not yet reached the legal age to carry a handgun.
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Post by MLB on Oct 8, 2005 20:33:10 GMT -5
I was talking recently to a Vietnam Vet who related a similar story, getting ammunition for his 1911 was difficult. He therefore "obtained" a 9mm handgun. A BHP I think. Ammo was plentiful.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Oct 8, 2005 21:23:46 GMT -5
A handgun is a "Handy" weapon in a combat zone; very portable, good back up, good for close areas. I liked mine for late night duty on the perimeter, during dry rains, where I couldn't see my hand in front of my face, while being deafened by the rains coming down; That's where you want a .45 acp, locked, cocked, and loaded.
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Post by TBT on Oct 20, 2005 14:00:03 GMT -5
Does anyone have any word on what guns are the favorites or what ones will be tested yet?
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