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Post by 5ontarget on Feb 20, 2006 23:13:49 GMT -5
Recently at work, I got to talking personal defence with a guy. He had a very good understanding of knives, and I learned a few things. Then we got talking about guns, something I know a little more about. He mentioned that he wanted to get himself a 9. I had to bite my tounge, clearly this guy watches too many movies/TV. Thoughts of MLB's poster of the side mounted sights on the Glock flashed in my head. The gun he was considering was none other than Ohio's very own Hi-Point. I told him that the have a very polarized following, people either really like them, or hate them. I think most of the bad mouthing on the internet is done by people that have never fired one. Anyhow, back on topic...boy, I almost drifted myself off my own topic... He wasn't sure what kind of "9" he wanted, the .45 or the 9mm. He was wondering what else might be out there for similar prices as a new Hi-Point 9mm/.45 ($110-175 depending on where you buy) Since I have been playing in MilSurps recently, my thoughts turned to the old stuff. I mentioned looking at Star (a great buy on a steel framed 9mm, IMO. I wouldn't feed it a steady diet of +p stuff. But for this guy's purpose, I thought it'd be great.) Also the Makarov, technically is a "9", but not the "9" that he was thinking. I made that VERY clear to him, if he were to go that route. On the new side, but also probably 2x the cost (up to $250-275  , the Kel-Tec, and Skyy. Some of the knives he mentioned... www.kershawknives.com/large.htm the ken onion designs in particular. www.crkt.com/index.htmlI'll add more later, in a different thread, if I remember. |
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Post by TMan on Feb 20, 2006 23:58:11 GMT -5
"Personal Defense" - for the money, could you possibly go wrong with the Hi-Point? I've never live-fired, but have dry-fired and the trigger was dreadful, but so what for a defensive pistol. My concern would be reliability, I don't know enough about that with the Hi-Points.
Well back to trying to put this dang MN bolt back together so I can go shoot it in the morning. In retrospect, I shouldn't have disassembled the bolt until the stock was done with the refinishing and I was ready to put the gun back together. $#%^$
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Feb 21, 2006 0:35:49 GMT -5
A few of us at work would often cater to the whelms of new handgunners; where we would locate new in box unfired pre-owned pistols for far less than those of new pistols. One guy was loooking for a "9" and we located a guy in the workplace who had a NIB Sig 226 with 8 factory 15 rd magazines, before the AWB expired, for $500. He turned it down because it was too much for him to pay at a time when he was buying a new vehicle. He traded the new vehicle in a few months later for something else.
Helped another guy obtain a NIB German made Sig P-220, with 9 German Factory magazines for $500.; he never fired it and sold it three years later to help fund improvements on his house.
Some people have notions of obtaining a handgun but never follow through. I've seen more Hi-Points and Jennings among the workplace; not because they're owned by avid shooters and enthusaists, but rather because they are less costly to obtain in order to arm people.
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Post by 5ontarget on Feb 21, 2006 7:43:50 GMT -5
"Personal Defense" - for the money, could you possibly go wrong with the Hi-Point? No, I don't think you could go wrong, as long as it is reliable. Of course this goes for any pistol. The Hi-point I fired had a bad trigger, and I had apply upward pressure to the magazine to get it to feed correctly. I have also seen Hi Points fire all day at the range without difficulty. |
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Post by MLB on Feb 21, 2006 9:06:58 GMT -5
Rather than buying a brand new $150 handgun, I'd steer him towards buying a "used" $200 gun. After the first shot, they are both used, and this way he'll have far more value for his investment, expecially at that price range.
The options for handguns are dramatically larger too.
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Post by TBT on Feb 21, 2006 11:33:52 GMT -5
Kershaw and CRKT knives are some of the best values out there. I sell a lot of those. More than any other save maybe Gerber (which people like for the price). I personally carry a Kershaw Ken Onion Storm II that I really love. Its a larger clip/folder with the 3.5" blade and has the frame lock as opposed to the liner lock system that can sometimes break on you. The Storm is a very strong knife and I love it. The thing sells for like $30 too.
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Post by Callahan on Feb 21, 2006 11:41:53 GMT -5
That's a great price. If I'm thinking of the right one, it's a size up from the Ken Onion 2" model that I carry, I've seen them for more than $40 -- even at Wal-Mart.
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Post by Callahan on Feb 21, 2006 11:53:02 GMT -5
Rather than buying a brand new $150 handgun, I'd steer him towards buying a "used" $200 gun. After the first shot, they are both used, and this way he'll have far more value for his investment, expecially at that price range. The options for handguns are dramatically larger too. I think that's real good advice...  |
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Post by TBT on Feb 21, 2006 12:46:29 GMT -5
That's a great price. If I'm thinking of the right one, it's a size up from the Ken Onion 2" model that I carry, I've seen them for more than $40 -- even at Wal-Mart. I'm out of stock for the Storm II right now (they sell real good) but I sell them for $29 as I just checked. I did a lot of homework on knives before I bought one and this seemed to be the best value that I could find. I beat up my knives (there is nothing that I want pry, poke, or hammer) so I won't spend $300 on a blade. I look for good value and then if I screw it up its no big deal. |
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Post by TBT on Feb 22, 2006 11:58:02 GMT -5
I was wrong about the price I had on the Storm II. The Storm is $28 but the II is $31. Here is a pic of the Storm II, my baby.  I love this knife. ;D |
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, the Kel-Tec, and Skyy. 
