Beretta NEOS

[TMan]

When I was at Sportsman's Warehouse last month, I was looking at a Beretta Neos INOX DLX. It is a kind of cool looking pistol. However, they didn't have a 7.5" version, which would be the one I'd want, if they are available.

Someone came up with a procedure to lighten the trigger to 2.5lbs, which for a semi-auto seems to be about as low as you can expect to have for a good trigger control.
home.maine.rr.com/oceanpalace/badoscar/NeosTrigger.pdf

My 10/22 is 1.25lbs, and although it has never doubled on me, I don't trust it that much. I think I would be happy with a Neos if I could get it down to 2.5lbs. The one that I looked at had a much heavier trigger than a Buckmark or Ruger. They had plastic snap caps and let me dry-fire it, but didn't have a trigger gauge.

[MLB]

I've seen these under the glass now and then, but I can't warm up to them. They look too much like a timing light. I'd probably wreck my engine block.

[TMan]

A timing light? A timing light? I was thinking: when was the last time anyone used a timing light, but then I remembered that a lot of people own vintage automobiles.

The last time I used a timing light was on my 78 Chrysler Lean Burn. It was running really rough, and the timing light showed the timing dancing all over the place. I bought a new Mallory Unilite distributor and a MSD ignition. The car ran better with that than it ever did with the Lean Burn computer. I used to adjust the automatic choke twice a year to compensate for weather changes. With the MSD, I didn't even need a choke.

I'd still have the car, but there was this kid that was in a hurry and was passing in a no passing zone. That was the end of the Chrysler, and nearly the end of me. Were it not for the fact it was the last of the full size cars, I probably wouldn't have survived. Fortunately, I had one of NY's best plastic surgeons, and you really have to look close to see the scars.

And, if a 22LR would hurt your engine block, you had better sell that Yugo. ;D

For those that don't know what a MSD is: it stands for Multiple Spark Discharge. It is a capacitive discharge system that produces multiple sparks during the firing cycle. At idle I expanded the scope and was able to count 6 sparks the additional 5 were very close in time to provide full ignition during the short period of time that ignition occurs in the cycle.

For those that don't know what a Neos looks like:

For those that don't know what a timing light looks like:

Finally, for those that think you might confuse the timing light and the Neos, here is a link for you: www.lenscrafters.com/EyeCare/Ec_Overview.cfm

[MLB]

Fortunately, my only use for a timing light is helping out my father-in-law working on a race car he drives. He runs one of those MSD gadgets too. I'm surprised that it helps, you'd think that 5-6 sparks wouldn't be that much more useful than one, but apparetly it is.

Well, OK. Maybe the Neos / Timing Light comparison was a stretch. You've got to admit though it does look like something that you'd plug into a PlayStation. ;D

[TMan]

mlb said:

... I'm surprised that it helps, you'd think that 5-6 sparks wouldn't be that much more useful than one, but apparetly it is....

Think about it: when you have a miss, it means that the mixture failed to ignite. This can be because of many different things. For example: it is really cold out (you understand that ;D ). When you have 6 sparks, your chances of igniting the mixture increase.

I put a capacitive discharge (Heathkit) on my Mazda with the rotary engine. It was horrible; the car would barely run at all. In talking to the chief mechanic at the Mazda dealer, he wasn't surprised because the rotary needs a long, slow burning spark. I imagine that a MSD (it hadn't been invented yet) would have worked fine on the Wankel engine.

On the downside: after 10,000 miles, my sparkplugs looked like they had 60,000 miles on them.

[MLB]

tman said:

I imagine that a MSD (it hadn't been invented yet) would have worked fine on the Wankel engine.

I think that if you walked into the parts store and said that you needed to get more spark into your Wankel, they'd have directed you around the corner to the drug store...

[TMan]

MLB, you are bad. ;D

[5ontarget]

Just used a timing light this week. But most of my stuff is like my guns, old. I tuned up my 1982 truck, and my 1964 tractor. For some reason, the truck gives me heck every time I try to do something with it, but that's for a different thread altogether. I'm sure it will run better, now that it doesn't have to pass emissions tests...

I'm with MLB on this one, I've never been able to get past the looks of the neos. Perhaps it is just too "new" looking for this owner of old stuff.

[TMan]

Looks like I'm going to have to settle for the 6" model if I want the INOX version. They have discontinued the 7.5", and there is a dealer in Oklahoma that has the 7.5" blued in stock, but I don't like the looks of them. Therefore, it is the 6" one that I have on order.

On another topic: I got one heck of a blood-blister today while working on the Browning Hi-Power and the cocked hammer slipped and hit my thumb. You wouldn't think a small reduced power hammer spring would do that much damage. Maybe making changes to the Neos isn't such a good idea.