OUCH!

[Callahan]

Police say Kansas man shoots self in groin during kidnapping attempt

WICHITA, Kan. (AP) - A botched kidnapping ended with one of the assailants shooting himself in the groin, police said.

The man had just stuck the gun in his waistband when it fired, shooting him in the left testicle, authorities said. He cringed, causing the gun to fire again and strike him in the left calf, they said.

The 23-year-old man managed to walk into a hospital for treatment. He and his two alleged accomplices, ages 18 and 20, were arrested on attempted kidnapping charges. They were accused of trying to kidnap a teenager in a dispute over stereo speakers.

[TA]

Poetic Justice.

["DoubleAction"]

We've seen this method of carry in alot of movies, including Silvester Stallone in "Cobra". I actually saw one movie where the guy just missed shooting himslef in the groin, after sticking the pistol in his front waistband.

This is one of those things which is much like holding a pistol sideways. As long as the modern day criminals continue to receive their training from the motion picture industry, we will have less to be concerned about.

[5ontarget]

The fittest survive to pass their genes on to the next generation. Just thinning the herd. The chances of this guys DNA making it to the next generation have decreased considerably.

["DoubleAction"]

5ontarget said:

The fittest survive to pass their genes on to the next generation. Just thinning the herd. The chances of this guys DNA making it to the next generation have decreased considerably.

A good point, and very well put. ;D

[flamdrags]

Was this an auto? It's hard to imagine the slide being able to cycle while it's tucked in a waistband and the fellow is doubling over. Just a thought.
-Flamdrags

[MLB]

Good point. Take everything you read (especially on the internet) with a grain of salt.

["DoubleAction"]

If a round is already chambered, aka one in the pipe, it would all be left up to the fire control system and one dumb idiot to pull the feat off. Some police complained about the Sig Sauer triggers having the potential for the hammer to fall when holstering the pistols; They told on themselves for not using the decocker in lowering the hammer, or manually thumb lowering the hammer. Reason #1 as to why we saw the safety warning from Sigarms published through the gun publications, in regards to using the decocker.

The Colt Series 80 1911 has one of the safest lockwork designs than any pistol I know. Before the hammer can strike the firing pin, the trigger must be pulled. In order for the trigger to be pulled, the grip safety has to be depressed and the thumb safety has to be disengaged. If that isn't enough, many holsters incorporate the thumb snap release, with a strap which wraps between the cocked hammer and the rear portion of the slide where the firing pin sets.

[Callahan]

flamdrags said:

Was this an auto? It's hard to imagine the slide being able to cycle while it's tucked in a waistband and the fellow is doubling over. Just a thought.
-Flamdrags

Uh, please don't try that at home!

[Callahan]

admin said:

If a round is already chambered, aka one in the pipe, it would all be left up to the fire control system and one dumb idiot to pull the feat off. Some police complained about the Sig Sauer triggers having the potential for the hammer to fall when holstering the pistols; They told on themselves for not using the decocker in lowering the hammer, or manually thumb lowering the hammer. Reason #1 as to why we saw the safety warning from Sigarms published through the gun publications, in regards to using the decocker.

The Colt Series 80 1911 has one of the safest lockwork designs than any pistol I know. Before the hammer can strike the firing pin, the trigger must be pulled. In order for the trigger to be pulled, the grip safety has to be depressed and the thumb safety has to be disengaged. If that isn't enough, many holsters incorporate the thumb snap release, with a strap which wraps between the cocked hammer and the rear portion of the slide where the firing pin sets.

That's right, DA, and on most double action-only pistols there is not even a hammer to fall -- Glock, XD, Kahr, etc.
I guess the problem with the disappearing testicle would occur milliseconds before the slide cycled. The slide cycling, properly or improperly, is the last of your worries then! ;D

[MLB]

I think the main point was the fact that he got a second shot off. The first one should have caused a ftf.

["DoubleAction"]

callahan said:

admin said:

If a round is already chambered, aka one in the pipe, it would all be left up to the fire control system and one dumb idiot to pull the feat off. Some police complained about the Sig Sauer triggers having the potential for the hammer to fall when holstering the pistols; They told on themselves for not using the decocker in lowering the hammer, or manually thumb lowering the hammer. Reason #1 as to why we saw the safety warning from Sigarms published through the gun publications, in regards to using the decocker.

The Colt Series 80 1911 has one of the safest lockwork designs than any pistol I know. Before the hammer can strike the firing pin, the trigger must be pulled. In order for the trigger to be pulled, the grip safety has to be depressed and the thumb safety has to be disengaged. If that isn't enough, many holsters incorporate the thumb snap release, with a strap which wraps between the cocked hammer and the rear portion of the slide where the firing pin sets.

That's right, DA, and on most double action-only pistols there is not even a hammer to fall -- Glock, XD, Kahr, etc.
I guess the problem with the disappearing testicle would occur milliseconds before the slide cycled. The slide cycling, properly or improperly, is the last of your worries then! ;D

Exactly Callahan; The slide does not begin it's cycle until after the bullet leaves the barrel. I gave thought to the striker fired pistols, with trigger deactivated safety mechanisms, when thinking of the discharging issue.

["DoubleAction"]

As far as the possiblity of a second shot being fired, from inside the pants waist band, the guy would almost have to go out of his way to find such a pistol. I know we all would like the details on this one.

I can only guess the possiblities of this happening, after the first shot was discharged, the pistol did cycle as he reacted, he then fell, reached for the pistol, or something allowed for the trigger to reset in order for the second shot to be fired. The trigger could have become snagged somewhere in his waist band and it could have had something like a lighter trigger pull. Hard to say, but I would still like to read about it in the news.