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Post by TMan on Apr 12, 2007 7:48:41 GMT -5
Since I was unable to get the Stoger Cougar in 9mm, I finally broke down and ordered the PX4 Storm.
What interested me most in this was the rotating barrel form of lock-up. The other thing that appealed to me was the fact that it had an external hammer. Well, I guess it was just that it had a hammer vs. being striker-fired.
My experience with striker-fired pistols are that they are harder to improve the trigger pull than those that have a hammer.
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Post by MLB on Apr 12, 2007 11:14:37 GMT -5
I didn't like the plastic frame of the Beretta, but the rotating barrel would be interesting to work with. I may go take another look at that Stoger...
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Post by TMan on Apr 12, 2007 12:12:08 GMT -5
I didn't like the plastic frame of the Beretta, ... Good luck getting the Stoeger. What is wrong with plastic frames? Half of what I own is plastic - even my roof - even the frames for my new windows. |
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Post by 5ontarget on Apr 12, 2007 12:26:43 GMT -5
When do you take delivery?
Hey, when did ad banners start showing up in between the posts?
After much debate, we ordered vinyl replacements for our old farmhouse. We really wanted to keep the traditional look and go with wood, but ultimately price won us over. We have decided we aren't going to live in this house long enough to appreciate and get our money's worth out of the wood windows. How much more were wood replacements for our house? About 5X the cost of the energy star rated vinyl replacement I installed this fall/winter.
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Post by MLB on Apr 12, 2007 15:40:09 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with plastic at all. It's very practical. I have all of the practical guns I need though (with the possible exception of a tiny BUG). I just like the balance of a steel framed handgun. My P99 is plastic, and while I do like it overall, it's noticably top heavy and the plastic trigger feels mushy to me. There was a Stoeger in the local Gander Mountain. Next time I'm in there I think I'll fondle it again.
I noticed the banner ads in the threads too. Ah well, can't beat the price.
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Post by TMan on Apr 12, 2007 18:06:51 GMT -5
1'st thanks for mentioning that the ad's moved. I thought it was just something else that I screwed up on the computer.
I now have the Storm, and the trigger is awful. It isn't all that heavy, a mere 7lbs in SA mode, but it is creepy. Guess I'm going to find out how it comes apart, but I have this new rule: only have one gun disassembled at a time. So it is going to have to wait until I get the S&W 22A back together, which is in total pieces.
On the sub-thread of windows: I could have gotten Andersen wood windows for less than what these cost. The problem with wooden windows in Texas is that they won't last long - the sun does a real job on them unless you properly maintain them.
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Post by MLB on Apr 20, 2007 13:46:26 GMT -5
I stopped into the local Gander Mtn last week. The P5 is gone ($550) so I can't oogle it anymore, but the Stoeger is still hanging around ($350). I took a closer look at the frame. It seems to be an alloy of some sort. Almost certainly not pure steel (alright, steel is an alloy of iron, but you know what I mean.)
If only I hadn't more pressing uses for that cash...
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Post by TMan on Apr 20, 2007 14:36:06 GMT -5
If only I hadn't more pressing uses for that cash... What? Do you need the money for open heart surgery? What else could be more pressing? ;D Getting the hammer assembly back into the PX4 was a lot more work than I had anticipated. I ended up getting the trigger bar spring trapped between the trigger bar and the frame. In fact, I had to slightly pry the frame out to get the trigger bar back into the frame along with the sub-assembly. The gun had a little bit of creep, which probably would have gone away with use, but... Since Numrich doesn't list the pistol, I was afraid that I might have a problem getting parts, so I was not at all aggressive with the sear/hammer work. However, when I put it back together, the hammer broke at 5.5lbs consistently with no creep. Since it has a very wide trigger, it felt a lot less than what it measured. So, despite the complaining of my teddy bear, I got up early this morning and went to the range. I took the RAA Biathlon (22WMR), S&W 22A, Beretta PX4, and the Kahr M9098. I'll only address the PX4 in this thread. I'm thinking of my Beretta pistols: Tomcat, 92 Steel I, 87 Target, Neos, and now the PX4. Yes, yes, I left out the revolvers and rifles, but I don't want to compare apples to oranges. My favorite? Since you asked, by far the PX4. It is a sheer delight to shoot (especially in a week that I sent the Wilson Combat ADP back to them to try again). I was expecting more recoil than I felt with the pistol, but operation was easy and flawless. The was another shooter in the pistol range, so I left him shoot 5 rounds, and he pulled one, all others were in the bullseye. It is an accurate gun. I didn't shoot it quite as well as I have some 1911's (or the recent H&K Expert), but awfully close. Funny, but I looked at one shortly after they came out at the Beretta roadshow. I didn't notice the rotating barrel at the time, nor did the factory rep point it out to me. It really is a cool design. Bottom line is that Beretta finally made a pistol that I would recommend. |
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