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Post by TMan on Apr 12, 2007 12:20:46 GMT -5
Hey, guess what I just got ordered/confirmed/shipped? Oh you read the subject line - never mind. Since I finally got the stinking replacement windows paid for, I have a little gun money in the budget for the year. Well, the distributor had 2 and now they have 1. I should be able to pick it up from the dealer next week.  |
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Post by 5ontarget on Apr 12, 2007 12:35:11 GMT -5
Depending on your definition of a little, between your two most recent purchases, you have significantly less now!
Did you find out who make the frames for them? If I recall correctly, they were waiting on a shipment before they could assemble more guns.
That looks like an interesting trigger mechanism.
No front serrations on the slide, and no tactical rail! And they call that a handgun! It better have night sights! (For those that don't know me, I'm joking.)
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Post by MLB on Apr 12, 2007 15:46:37 GMT -5
Aside from the name, what piqued your interest in this one?
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Post by TMan on Apr 12, 2007 18:14:21 GMT -5
Aside from the name, what piqued your interest in this one? "Designed for concealed carry or law enforcement back-up, it features a unique gas retard and buffering system which actually reduces felt recoil. The lightweight polymer and steel pistol has an ammunition capacity of eleven rounds and has an unloaded weight of only 19 ounces. The ADP is striker fired, has an ambidextrous positive manual safety and is delivered with two ten round magazines." Knowing me as well as you do, you know it wasn't the weight of 19 ounces, or the fact it is striker fired. However, the "unique gas retard and buffering system" got my interest. The Wilson name meant nothing to me because I figured they were probably importing it from somewhere anyhow. It just better have a decent trigger - I figure it has to be better than the PX4 Storm's trigger. I think the word "Beretta" translated into English means: "crappy trigger". |
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Post by 5ontarget on Apr 12, 2007 20:25:13 GMT -5
What about the (in)famous Beretta Stampede? ;D
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Post by TMan on Apr 13, 2007 7:11:53 GMT -5
What about the (in)famous Beretta Stampede? ;D If my memory serves me correctly, it was made by the Uberti folks. Besides, it is a revolver, not a pistol. In retrospect, I shoot revolvers much better than I shoot pistols with only a few exceptions. My results with the USP Expert are right in there with revolvers. |
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Post by MLB on Apr 13, 2007 8:48:03 GMT -5
Besides, it is a revolver, not a pistol. That one may be a hard one to explain to anyone "pistol whipped" with a .38spl.  The gas retard buffering system sounds interesting. I'd probably be more interested in tearing it down to see how it works than shooting it. |
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Post by TMan on Apr 13, 2007 10:06:31 GMT -5
... I'd probably be more interested in tearing it down to see how it works than shooting it. So, you thought I bought it for shooting? ;D |
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Post by TA on Apr 13, 2007 13:44:51 GMT -5
Wilson tells me that these pistols are selling pretty well. I look forward to your observations when you get it. I haven't gotten the chance to look at one yet.
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Post by TMan on Apr 14, 2007 12:11:44 GMT -5
Got it. It is really small. I wish I had a Kahr to compare it to, but I don't.
It is a blow-back design with an internal extractor. The "unique gas retard" system looks exactly like that of the H&K P7. I'm not sure what they are talking about with the "buffer". They include a tool, which they tell you to use to clean out the gas retard cylinder every 50 rounds.
The trigger pull rivals that of the Nagant Revolver: slightly of 11 lbs.
An interesting thing is that there isn't any "Made in xxxxx" anywhere on the pistol.
Hopefully they will get the mess cleaned up and power restored so I can go shoot it this week - I guess I could go to Bass Pro Shops and shoot there. (Haltom City, where our gun club is, was hit by a tornado last night). Everything is okay at my house with the exception of the Element. My wife thought it was ugly before. Now, as a result of the hail, it looks like it has chicken pox.
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Post by TMan on Apr 17, 2007 12:43:41 GMT -5
Well, we shot it at the range this morning, and it was interesting: The trigger-pull makes the pistol competitive with the NY Glock connector version - right at 11.5 lbs. At first I was all over the place on the target. Then as I developed a long firm steady pull, my shots improved, but it is definitely not a target pistol. By the time I was down to my last few rounds, I was getting quite good with it; well, all is relative - it was as good as I get with the H&K P7, but nothing like with the H&K Expert (nor my other two Wilson's for that matter). One thing I really don't like is that there isn't an external slide release. Also, putting in a fresh magazine and trying to banjo the slide doesn't work either. You have to banjo the slide, put in the new magazine and rack the slide again to load it. Yeech, I'll call Wilson Combat and ask them if that is by design or a problem with this particular gun. So I handed it to my buddy, and he couldn't fire it. I tried pulling the trigger and it fired. He tried again and I could see the firing pin protruding from the back of the slide. "Pull, pull", I yelled. Finally it went bang. His comment was: "I can believe this is one of your guns. Your guns normally have such great triggers." Well, it didn't have any failures of any sort, but I forgot to look at the fired brass to see what the primer hits looked like. With the amount of pressure that it takes to fire this thing, I can imagine that the firing pin left a dent in the back of the bullet.  What I really liked about the pistol was the lack of perceived recoil. I put that special recoil rod in the S&W M&P, and was very impressed with the results of that. This thing has about the same amount of recoil in spite of being so light. (I judge this by watching the amount of muzzle flip when my buddy shoots it). |
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Post by TMan on Apr 18, 2007 7:51:50 GMT -5
Talked to Wilson Combat designer of the ADP on the phone yesterday. I spoke to someone else first, and described the problem to him. I'm not allowed to repeat what he said on this forum, but he then transferred me to the guy that designed and made the pistol. Answers: it is not supposed to be doing this, and it is not supposed to have an 11-1/2lb trigger pull either. Looking at the gun after I got off the phone with him, I could see that the trigger bar is too far to the left, which causes it to bind with the little internal lever that holds the slide open. The trigger bar is rubbing against the right side of the magazine, which is causing the trigger to be so heavy. Without the magazine, the trigger pull is just 7lbs. (I can't believe I just typed "just 7lbs" like that is a light number. ;D ) I called them back and was told to mail the pistol back to them. Unlike Henry Repeating Arms when I had the powder coating melt-down, Wilson Combat didn't offer to send me a pre-paid mailing label. Since the pistol cost 4 times what the rifle did, I guess I shouldn't expect much. Oh, incidentally my serial number is < 200. I guess when you are a pioneer, you should expect to get some arrows in your back. |
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Post by MLB on Apr 18, 2007 15:54:32 GMT -5
When you make a name for yourself by making exceptional products like Wilson has, marketing what seems to be a run-of-the-mill "me-too" striker fired plastic handgun must be disheartening.
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Post by TMan on Apr 18, 2007 18:07:26 GMT -5
MLB, it really makes you wonder if it is a jump-on-the-bandwagon syndrome, greed, or just plain stupidity. I really thought it would be a good gun.
So, it is on its way back to WC. It is only the 3rd gun that I've had to send back. I don't consider the Henry Repeating Arms failure a fault of the gun - more of the lack of information in the manual i.e. don't use these types of cleaners!!!!
The Heritage just fell apart, but when I got it back, it was a much better gun. Hopefully, since I had to pay for the shipping, the WC will be a better gun when I get it back. My other two WC pistols are in the safe hiding in shame. ;D
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Post by TMan on May 13, 2007 16:38:17 GMT -5
It's back. I got it back via UPS on Tuesday afternoon. With snap-caps, it worked perfectly. However, in spite of the work they did on it, the trigger was still around 8lbs.
Since I had RO duty on Wednesday afternoon, I took it with me, but only had a chance to get 50 rounds through it. The first 5 rounds were way low - I was flinching badly. After I convinced myself that it wasn't going to hurt me, I then, with only a few exceptions, put the majority of rounds where I was aiming.
On the way home I stopped at the grocery store and wondered why people were giving me strange looks (more so than normal). Then I realized I had a great big grin frozen on my face. For those of you in Rio Linda, as Rush would say, it means that I really like this little pistol. I was shooting it as well as I did the PX4 Storm.
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Post by flamdrags on Jun 3, 2007 0:33:34 GMT -5
If anyone can find it look for the Truvelo ADP. I believe this is the OEM, a South African armory. Truvelo offers the ADP in .380, 9mm, .40S&W, and .45 *ADP*, which is supposed to be a bit shorter casing than the .45 acp, maybe like a .45 GAP? not sure. Ok, here's the story I guess... world.guns.ru/handguns/hg183-e.htm-Flamdrags |
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