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Post by MLB on Feb 8, 2008 9:24:11 GMT -5
There have been a few occasions that I've wanted to carry a firearm, but need something more concealable than a ppk/s in my belt. It's usually when I'll be without a jacket and a thin dress shirt may not cover well if I'm moving about.
There's always the option of dropping it in a pocket, but it does look like I have an anchor in there with that chunk of stainless.
Getting to the point, I'm looking for a purely practical, tiny pocket gun. The 3AT comes to mind quickly of course, especially since I already carry a .380.
I'll look up comparable firearms (seecamp? maybe a NAA?), but is there a quick way to tell the "first generation" 3AT's from the improved ones?
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Post by BIGDOG on Feb 8, 2008 13:29:31 GMT -5
I think the difference is the ejector........... The newer ones have a hex screw with a larger ejector.
I am waiting till that new Little Ruger .380 come out and I will get me one of them. I never had any luck at all with the P 3AT
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Post by MLB on Feb 8, 2008 14:18:35 GMT -5
I saw that too. Looks a lot like the 3AT. Available in March. I think I'll wait to compare them in hand. Ruger usually builds a solid pistol.
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Post by TMan on Feb 8, 2008 20:28:15 GMT -5
I wonder if Ruger is going to later come out with a higher caliber? Of course with that 8lbs trigger pull, you won't be framing any of your targets and putting them up on the wall.
What about the PF-9?
I'm not too happy with Ruger after my SR-9 experiences. Maybe if they get popular enough, someone will make aftermarket parts to improve them - like Glocks.
Incidentally, in talking to a gunsmith, Ruger makes the Mini-14 in such a way that you can't get standard stones on them to change the angle of engagement. He also told me that even though he has an FFL, they won't send restricted parts to him. You have to send the guns back to Ruger. I'm becoming less of a Ruger fan. Still have my P90 in the nightstand though.
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Post by 5ontarget on Feb 8, 2008 23:00:50 GMT -5
bigdog is correct the ejector is the easiest way to tell the difference. I have a first gen 3AT. It took a couple hundred rounds for it to break in, and for me to learn how to shoot it. It was very sensitive to limpwristing. With the small grip and light weight, it was pretty easy for me to not hold the gun with proper grip.
Now it shoots well (although it has been some time since I shot it). No reliability problems.
Looking at the market now, I'd consider the PF-9 over the 3AT, but I already have the 3AT.
(Don't you also have something in 9mm?)
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Post by TA on Feb 10, 2008 10:19:51 GMT -5
What about Kahr? You can get the CW9 for reasonable money.  Of a few more dollars you could go with the PM9  Or if you want a pocket full of punch, get the PM45  I am seriously considering one of these pistols. We should be getting some "test fired" factory guns in sometime in the near future, so I am contemplating test firing them myself to see if I like them.  |
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Post by MLB on Feb 10, 2008 17:31:18 GMT -5
Yes, the Hi-Power has me stocking 9mm as well, so I could go Kahr shopping as well. I doubt that they're any smaller than the PPK/s though. That little 3AT is tiny. Too bad they don't make it in steel.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Feb 10, 2008 20:05:50 GMT -5
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Post by TMan on Feb 10, 2008 22:47:15 GMT -5
Hey, you guys with the younger eyes - does that thing have a hammer?
By the way, I can't hit the broadside of a barn with my Kahr. It doesn't pre-cock like the XD, Glock, and clones. It has a long pull which brings the striker way back. I bet I could take off some from the striker spring to lighten the pull without getting light strikes.
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Post by 5ontarget on Feb 11, 2008 10:10:57 GMT -5
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Post by MLB on Feb 11, 2008 12:01:29 GMT -5
If there's a comment that doesn't remotely belong in this thread, here it is:
I had the opportunity a few days ago to handle an HK MP5 fully auto machine pistol. Very light and solid, accessory light and laser was finger actuated on the forend, very convienent. Didn't get the chance to fire it, but it was something to handle.
Didn't fit in my pocket any better than the ppk/s, so I gave it back ;D
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Post by TMan on Feb 11, 2008 12:03:08 GMT -5
OK, if I blow up the picture, I can see the hammer.
Next question: did I miss something in the specifications? It says that it is an 8 lb trigger pull. Is it DAO?
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Feb 11, 2008 12:46:56 GMT -5
OK, if I blow up the picture, I can see the hammer. Next question: did I miss something in the specifications? It says that it is an 8 lb trigger pull. Is it DAO? TMan; I looked throughout the Specs., Description Info, and Video and found no mention on it's trigger action, except the pull weight. From looking at the bobbed hammer design, I would expect this pistol to be DAO. The trigger pull weight of 8 lbs is slightly more than that of the DA Triggers on some of my better revolvers. One sacrifices alot when going with a lighter concealable pistol, for the sake of convenience and compliances. I try to dress according to what I'm carrying, rather than the other way around. Back in the early eighties I picked up on something called California Concealment , which allows me to conceal full size pistols and revolvers under lightweight clothing. The smaller pistols are such to where one could conceal a pistol inside the confines of a nudist resort; and I'm not exaggerating. ;D |
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Post by MLB on Feb 11, 2008 16:51:41 GMT -5
I think it was our old pal XavierBreath that once mentioned being able to hide a KelTec .32 at a nudist resort years ago and I haven't been able to strike the image from my mind yet...
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Feb 11, 2008 17:03:15 GMT -5
I think it was our old pal XavierBreath that once mentioned being able to hide a KelTec .32 at a nudist resort years ago and I haven't been able to strike the image from my mind yet... Other than tucking a mouse gun between a roll of fat out or up one's rectum; another option is the use of a Fanny Pack. ;D |
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Post by MLB on Mar 3, 2008 11:46:57 GMT -5
GunBlast's review of the LCP. It took my slow brain a few re-reads to catch his humorous moniker for it, the "Elsie Pea". www.gunblast.com/Ruger-LCP.htm |
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Post by Callahan on Mar 3, 2008 12:55:30 GMT -5
LCP (Elsie Pea)-.380 (3AT). Oprah-Ooma. Obama-Osama. ;D
Makes me think of the old saw: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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Post by Callahan on Mar 12, 2008 12:11:43 GMT -5
What about Kahr? You can get the CW9 for reasonable money. Of a few more dollars you could go with the PM9 Or if you want a pocket full of punch, get the PM45 I am seriously considering one of these pistols. We should be getting some "test fired" factory guns in sometime in the near future, so I am contemplating test firing them myself to see if I like them. Problem with the Kahrs, which are great pistols, is the weight. My friend has had a Kahr PM9 for years, but finally broke down and bought the Kel-Tec 3AT because it carries like a wallet. He was just never comfortable carrying the Kahr as a pocket pistol, too heavy. Constant fear your pants will go to your knees!  I haven't persuaded him yet to buy a Kel-Tec PF-9. It is also less heavy than the Kahr and about the same length and height. The Ruger LCP is also heavier and wider than the 3AT (both 380s). Probably because they added a slidestop. It locks open after the last round, a nice feature. |
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