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Post by 9mm on Mar 25, 2004 21:07:42 GMT -5
I've got a couple of boxes of .45 WinClean, what do you guys think of it vs. Winchester USA or American Eagle or UMC as practice ammo.
Next show I go to I'll pick up two cans of Georgia Arms 230 but until then I'll need to buy at Wally World.
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Post by TMan on Mar 25, 2004 22:53:44 GMT -5
Personally, I think some guys were sitting around in a conference room saying: "we need to come up with something new". Is lead vaporization really a problem? They eliminate it by having the back of the bullet encased in brass as well. Since I always hold my breath when I shoot, I seriously doubt if I inhale much lead vapor. My guess is that the ammo will sell well in California, but not much in Texas. ;D
Personally, since I'm not a great shot, or even a good shot, I don't have a problem with the Wally World ammo. I'm not fond of the 9mm because it is all loose, but I repackage it into other containers before going to the range. I don't need to do that with the .45.
My only concern with ammo is that I don't want to shoot anything that could in anyway be harmful to my gun. The store I buy most of my ammo regularly advertises Wolf ammo, but the salesmen frown on it. Of course they are on commission too. I don't know, but I do know that brass is softer than steel.
I'd be a little nervous shooting any ammo with a new powder type that was supposed to be environmentally friendly. They changed the insulation on the fuel tanks for the space shuttle because of the freon ban and look what that caused. I remember not too many years ago that they took the whale oil out of car transmission fluid and the new fluid ate the solder in the radiator cooler then the anti-freeze and transmission fluid interchanged.
I need to get a life. ;D
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Post by Mikolev on Mar 26, 2004 15:45:55 GMT -5
I don't think that lead vaporization is a problem in any outdoor range, or indoor range that is ventilated like it's supposed to be. Seems to me that this is just another answer to a question that was never asked. As for the quality of the ammo, I've shot some, and I've never had any kind of malfunction or misfire. It seems to be of good enough quality , but my problem with it is that where I live, Winchester White Box ammo from Walmart is 1/2 the price, for the same quality ...so I wonder which one I'm going to choose?   |
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Post by Mikolev on Mar 26, 2004 15:51:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't reccomend WOLF. I've seen it gum up many guns. Most recently, a guy had a Kahr P9 and after shooting WOLF for a while , the gun came to a screeching halt due to all the laquer goo in the chamber. I'm not sure what you use to get that crap off.
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Post by 9mm on Mar 26, 2004 19:07:21 GMT -5
Have you heard/tried the new poly coated Wolf?
I've heard reports that the smell is gone along with the lacquer with the new Wolf.
I've shot the lacquer coated stuff in my Glock & Ruger without any problems but I clean after each range visit.
Mikolev - for .45acp the Winclean at my WM was 13.97 a box compared to 8.99 for the UMC. They ran out of WWB and UMC so the Winclean was my next option. Still cheaper than buying it at the range at $20/box.
There are indoor ranges (Ed's) I'd probably want to shoot Winclean. They don't ventilate.
For cleaning the lacquer, try EL-BO grease. Works wonders with a copper brush.
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Post by redneckruss on Mar 26, 2004 22:22:42 GMT -5
For cleaning the lacquer, try EL-BO grease. Works wonders with a copper brush. I went over to Bubba's class III and asked about getting some of that there grease like you said. He said something about smart alec redneks who don't know their place but did offer to give me a pint of CLP if I bought his Eclipse .45 silencer I'd been eyeing for my 1911.  |
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Post by Arclightstrike on May 18, 2004 20:14:27 GMT -5
Regarding Wolf ammo: Much of what they sell is surplus Soviet military stuff, heavily lacquered to 1) keep it waterproof, 2) keep it dull green so it won't twinkle brightly in the field, and 3) keep the steel cases from rusting. It is also loaded with copper-washed steel-jacketed projectiles. While it may be fine for running through some Jihadistani's no-maintenance-required Kalashnikov, that excrement will foul your weapon quickly and erode the bore more than true copper-jacketed ammo. The Russkis now have something they call Silver Bear ammo, which has nickel plated, Berdan-primed cases and real copper-jacketed projectiles (I got some 9x19mm in 145 grain jacketed hollowpoints). There is still a thin red line of lacquer around the primer and at the case mouth/bullet juncture, but this stuff won't crud up the works nearly as much and is easier on the bores.
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Post by MLB on May 18, 2004 22:30:16 GMT -5
I tried some of the WinClean in .380 auto for the same reason, they were out of the regular WWB. I am not concerned about the lead vapor from a health standpoint as the range is well ventilated, but upon inspecting the spent cases, I noticed a dramatic difference between the WinClean and the UMC that I shot along with it. The UMC casings were black on the inside as you'd expect. The WinClean casings looked ready for reloading, as if they had been cleaned.
I wish I had been shooting them exclusively that day so I could see if the fouling in my PPK/S was reduced similarly. Too bad I was shooting multiple brands.
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Post by TMan on May 19, 2004 6:03:45 GMT -5
Arclightstrike, thanks for the good information. I was warned not to use it, but I never knew the details.
It was funny. The place I buy ammo had a full page ad in their catalog for Wolf ammo. I asked the guy behind the counter (he sold me my Wilson CQB) about the Wolf ammo. His eyes got big, he leaned across the counter shaking his head and very seriously said: "Don't use that in your guns". With his bushy beard he looked a little wild - I would have been afraid to buy it and cross him.
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