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Post by 9mm on Apr 10, 2004 15:46:39 GMT -5
www.kieslersonline.com has Federal American Eagle .45acp 230gr FMJ for $9.57 a box. I know Natchez has them a few dimes less per box, but if you live in Georgia, Alabama or Tennessee then Natchez doesn't want your business. I got 10 boxes and the shipping was about $13 & change. I was quoted around shipping of $18+/- for a case (20 boxes). Ordered on Monday afternoon had it Thursday afternoon. Shot a couple boxes this afternoon, seems like good stuff. They also have the best prices on new Glock 10 round magazines ($16/G17).
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Post by TMan on May 8, 2004 9:54:53 GMT -5
I haven't shot their .45, but I did get a case of their 9mm. The boxes are the same size as the .45, and they subsequently rattle around in the plastic container. Apparently they figured that one size fits all.
I've only shot 3 boxes out of the case, but had one failure. I re-cocked and fired again, but still nothing. Looking at the impression left by the firing pin, it should have fired. My conclusion: okay for target practice, but not for self-defense.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on May 8, 2004 12:20:57 GMT -5
I bought up on a deal involving a case of I.M.I. .45acp, from a guy who had bought it from Kiesler. Great looking ammo, but it was much hotter than the standard loads. Using the heavy 230 gr fmj bullets, it pounded the heck out of the frames, even when I was using the 18 1/2 lb. recoil springs. The accuracy of the I.M.I was not near what I get from the Federal, Winchester, PMC, or Ga. Arms. I thought I would mention this for those who shop on Kiesler.
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Post by 9mm on May 8, 2004 19:55:29 GMT -5
I've also heard of wide tolerances especially for
American calibrers from foreign manufacturers. That's why for 9mm I don't feel bad buying red ammo.
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Post by Arclightstrike on May 18, 2004 19:34:01 GMT -5
DA, regarding the IMI .45 ammo--it is my understanding that for 9-mil and .45ACP the Israli military has two different loads, one for regular handguns and another for submachine guns. You may have inadvertently gotten some of the Israeli submachine gun ammo which is loaded hotter than regular handgun ammo and works well in sub-guns but is hell on 1911s and similar...but I'm not sure how to tell them apart (if there is a different headstamp or other appearance clue).
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Post by "DoubleAction" on May 19, 2004 20:06:04 GMT -5
Arclight; When I mentioned about the I.M.I. .45 acp today, I walked outside and pondered the same thought about it's military applications. I do have more of these cartridges, but having been purchased through Kiesler as pistol ammunition, it seems as though they would have known what they had. I'll do a search tomorrow, and see if I can find anything on it. Thanks.
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Post by Arclightstrike on May 19, 2004 20:44:28 GMT -5
Arclight; When I mentioned about the I.M.I. .45 acp today, I walked outside and pondered the same thought about it's military applications. I do have more of these cartridges, but having been purchased through Kiesler as pistol ammunition, it seems as though they would have known what they had. I'll do a search tomorrow, and see if I can find anything on it. Thanks. Y'know, bro, I used to feel the same way, but the guys at the stores and sites don't necessarily have their info right all the time. I went to a well-known local guns & ammo store here in CT some time ago, in search of the then-elusive "SS-109" (5.56x45mm with the military designation "M-855 Ball" ). I was directed to some NATO battlepacks and told that was what I was looking for. I read the stamp on the plastic and discovered that it was "plain vanilla" (military designation "M-193 Ball" ). When I pointed this out to the salesman (actually the owners snottyfaced son) he had the nerve to try and convince me that what I read was wrong and he was right. I didn't want to go ripping open a battlepack just to be forced to buy 300 rds. of something I already had 2500 rds. of, but I would bet that the projectiles in that battlepack did not have the green or black painted tips that identify the real deal.... Maybe that worked with less informed customers, but I know what I know and that was the last time I set foot in *that* place. So, as the phrase goes, "excrement occurs," therefore "caveat emptor." |
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Post by "DoubleAction" on May 19, 2004 21:03:48 GMT -5
Arclight; I usually stick with what I know works best, but I was wrong with getting off the beaten path. I have heard that this ammunition was hotter, but assumed my steel frames would handle it with ease. That, they did, but with unsatisfactory results.
I found a forum on the I.M.I. website, and it appears that I'm not the only one who found this ammunition a problem:
Steve
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posted May 16, 2002 07:21 AM
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I just purchased my first 45 (S.A. 1911 TRP) and know zip about different kinds of loads. I've been using a standard 45 ACP round (230 gr, full jacket) for paper cutting. My instructor has recommended IMI 45 ACP 230 gr ammo. He stated that this is a little "hotter" round. Honestly, I haven't a clue what that means. How would IMI 230gr be different than the standard 230gr I've been using ? Comments are very much appreciated.
Steve
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Double Naught Spy
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posted June 02, 2002 10:40 PM
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Generally, a "hotter" round is one with a little more velocity. That velocity is produced with more powder or a powder with a different burn rate. IMI's .45 acp fmj ammo is supposedly only 845 fps which is actually not hotter than the 850 fps original design of the .45 acp round.
That being said, IMI ammo does seem to take a heavier toll on the recoil spring and shokbuff of my full-sized 1911. So, the round may not be traveling any faster, but it feels like it in the gun.
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