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Post by somery on Jul 31, 2005 23:57:20 GMT -5
im having a theory when me and nightspot (he signed up but couldn't get activated) go shooting... me and him shared a shooting hole and he had his .380 Browning and Ruger P89. I shot his guns a little and i let him shoot mine. when we were done and got into his truck he made a comment about a weird scratchy feeling in his throat, which he blamed on the gun powder. we always buy Winchester white box fmj 9mm. I didn't get this scratchy feeling but remember clearly i had to peer through the smoke (neighbor was shooting all sorts of guns including a .45) anyway i had a theory later on that it was lead he was feeling....he doesn't clean his gun with a wire brush and only cleaned with patches and number 9 and rustprufe solutions three times since he bought the gun....do you think its shaving lead? you can still see the rifleing in the barrel but then i shot with it, i was getting poor accuracy (maybe im not used to it?) we used that gun in the country several times so im guessing hes shot up around 1000 rounds since hes bought it...but he shot pretty good with it i think...is cleaning critical, can you get lead out without a wire brush? if you still see the rifleing then its ok enough? does gunpowder leave a scratchy throat?  if i used the brass encased slugs do i lose accuracy velocity or anything else (is it more $$) there is such a huge ammo selection im afraid to just randomly get something wrong for my gun...there is a big list of ammo no-nos at the range and i don't wanna be in trouble.... |
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Post by MLB on Aug 1, 2005 10:02:22 GMT -5
Whoooooeee, thats a lot of questions. ;D Regarding Nightspot, we banned him since we thought he was dangerous... just kidding. Tell him to check or turn off his email spam filters until he gets the email. Most of the time that's the reason the confirmation email doesn't get through. The scratchy throat thing could be lead, could be gunsmoke, dosent' matter. Something is irritating your throat. Sounds like the range you're using doesn't have very good ventilation. See if you can find another. The stuff isn't good for you.  A sufficiently dirty barrel will affect your accuracy. I clean mine after each session, but that may be overkill too. Lead bullets will foul your barrel faster than the copper jacketed ones, but some ranges don't allow jacketed bullets. That's another reason I like the outdoor ranges, aside from the natural ventilation, they rarely care about jacketed bullets. I'm not certain about the accuracy of jacketed versus lead bullets, that's an interesting question. I've found that just about any bullet is closer than I can consistently place them anyway. I'll leave that one to wiser heads. Take Care and stay safe... |
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Post by TMan on Aug 1, 2005 12:36:37 GMT -5
My guess is that he's coming down with a cold. I highly doubt if the lead would bother his throat, or the gun smoke for that matter. If the smoke was going to bother him it would like be in the nasal passages.
I have had lead fouling mess up the accuracy. In my case it was in the forcing cone of a .22 revolver. Looking at the targets, it looked like the bullets where hitting the targets sideways.
MLB, I thought when they said no FMJ they were referring to military rounds where the core is steel vs. lead. If you buy WWB 9mm or .45 it is FMJ -yes?
Bass Pro Shops got so ticked off at people shooting military rounds in their rifle tube that they installed a magnet at the counter. You have to hand them your ammo, they slip it up to the magnet, and if it sticks, you can't shoot it.
I once had a semi-auto barrel that was so lead fouled it looked like it was coming apart inside. I took it into my gunsmith. He put it in a vise. Took a brush and dipped it in Sweets and pushed it through the barrel. Big strips of lead came out. It sort of made his day that he really got to bust my chops about it.
There is some stuff out called "Big 45 Frontier Metal Cleaner" that when wrapped around a brass brush will remove the lead. I've heard several kudos concerning it. Brownells has a similar product they call "Stainless Steel Sponge". Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat uses a copper Chor-Boy from the grocery store. I found the Frontier stuff is a little easier to use. In fact I'm going to use it this afternoon - my Schofield if filthy.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Aug 1, 2005 14:27:19 GMT -5
After cleaning behind the lead bullets it's best to use a bore light and jewelers lupe to inspect the bore. The lead can be seen much better through the lupe and light, than it would be from normal vision.
Although the lead is easier on the rifling, it is much more hazardous to one's health. I've known of several people to develop lead poisoning from working around indoor ranges. I always went outdoors to clean the lead out of my barrels, using protective gloves.
I sometimes had to resort to using automotive carb and brake cleaner, brushes wrapped in copper mesh, oversize bore brushes, and overnight soaking to completely remove the lead from the bore.
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Post by somery on Aug 1, 2005 19:07:23 GMT -5
ahh thanks for clearing that up...guess i am overkilling with the over cleaning  |
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Post by MLB on Aug 2, 2005 11:36:41 GMT -5
... MLB, I thought when they said no FMJ they were referring to military rounds where the core is steel vs. lead. If you buy WWB 9mm or .45 it is FMJ -yes? ... While I'm sure my range would object to steel cored bullets, they (rationally or otherwise) also object to common jacketed ammo like WWB. Lead bullets only they say on the indoor range. The explanation for their exclusion related to how they dented the steel plate behind, and therefore caused more random splattering of the .22 competition shots held there. Apparently the splattering of the .22's caused additional holes in the competition (scored) targets. Sounds weak to me, but aside from the wintertime, I use the outdoor range mostly anyway. |
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if i used the brass encased slugs do i lose accuracy velocity or anything else (is it more $$) there is such a huge ammo selection im afraid to just randomly get something wrong for my gun...there is a big list of ammo no-nos at the range and i don't wanna be in trouble....
