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Post by TMan on Dec 21, 2008 21:47:56 GMT -5
Desert Eagle -> big, powerful, scares the crap out of anyone you point it at...  Say what? |
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Post by MLB on Dec 22, 2008 12:23:45 GMT -5
I read it's just a re-badged version of something already produced by another manufacturer. I'll have to look up which one...
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Post by MLB on Dec 22, 2008 15:06:11 GMT -5
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Post by TMan on Dec 22, 2008 19:37:10 GMT -5
MLB, that is interesting and it doesn't surprise me that MRI is importing it, but I am surprised it isn't from Israel like their other pistols. Never know these days where guns are being produced. I think Ruger is still making all their own stuff. It makes it more convenient for them to make their recalls.  I was looking at the Ellett Bros' web-site when I ran across it. Modified to add: MLB, think you will have a White Christmas? Go Giants!!! |
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Post by MLB on Dec 23, 2008 14:27:04 GMT -5
We're having a white Christmas alright! 3 moderate snowstorms in a week will keep even the Buffalo snowplow crew busy. They are very good though. Aside from a day or two of school closings near the holiday (no one complained at my house), everything is back up running normal.
Those folks with the tiny econoboxes sure are funny trying to navigate the unplowed side roads and parking lots though. I've helped out a few already, and the tow truck guys are making a killing I'm sure.
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Post by TMan on Dec 23, 2008 22:55:40 GMT -5
MLB, it brings back memories. I used to live in Rome, NY (Griffis AFB). After getting out of the USAF, I worked in Utica, and the office was 18 miles from my house - driving that is. I'm sure as the crow flies it was much closer. The annual snowfall in Rome was twice what it was in Utica because of the lake-effect snow.
I bought a house in the old section of Rome, and they didn't have any garages on the main streets. There were alleyways between the main streets and the garages were on the them.
There were numerous times that our alley was plowed, but by the time I got to Utica, the main street, which is where we had our office, hadn't been plowed.
After returning from Vietnam in winter of 65, we got 78" of snow in one weekend. My wife, being from San Antonio, was truly amazed and wondered how often this would happen.
Griffis was a SAC base and since a lot of the airmen lived off-base, they were very interested in getting the roads plowed. So they used their big snowblowers, which they had for the runways, to plow the streets in Rome.
We lived there for 9 years and never had that much snow in one storm again.
Yes, I do miss the snow a little - very little. In the 18 years we have lived here in DFW, I did have to shovel snow once. That was because the wind blew the snow from both my neighbors and my driveways directly in front of my garage doors.
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Post by MLB on Dec 25, 2008 19:02:16 GMT -5
I shoveled a bit the past few days. Mainly because my wife's Olds doesn't quite take the snow drifts like the Explorer. I'm sure I'd miss it if I moved away, though around February or March you'd be hard pressed to hear me say it. It really is beautiful.
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Post by MLB on Feb 17, 2009 17:13:47 GMT -5
Well, I stopped into the Buffalo Gun Center to pick up a set of checkering files. Thought I'd try my hand at it. You can't just go into a gun store and look at woodworking tools though.
While browsing the counter, I was lamenting that you can't get the 3AT in an alloy frame and the counter guy hands me a micro desert eagle. "Made in Israel you know, good stuff". I didn't argue.
It is a solid piece of work though. Tight fit, relatively smooth trigger, and cute little ports in the chamber. Those must be the gas assist. I didn't like the exposed trigger bar. Still too pricey at $500 something.
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Post by TMan on Feb 17, 2009 18:42:29 GMT -5
You didn't happen to see anywhere on it where it was made? I'm curious if IMI bought the patent rights to it and is producing it in Israel, or if MSR is just getting ZVI to produce it and put their name on it. It must be selling well because Davidson's has it listed as "Allocated". I didn't understand your "exposed trigger bar" comment until I looked at a larger picture of it on Davidson's site. Any particular problems that you know of with exposed trigger bars? The little ports that you mentioned: do they come out of the top of the slide or are they just between the barrel in the slide? I guess I'm a little jealous that you got to see one. I wish I could run out to my local gun store here in Shanghai.  [ThreadDrift] Thinking about local stores: we went to the Pearl Market yesterday, and in addition to pearls they also have a lot of high quality fake goods. So I paid almost $25 for a Rolex, which is about twice the street price. My neighbor across the street, where we have a New Year's Eve party every year, is having his 50th birthday. This is going to be a big party on Sunday and his wife is flying in a bunch of old college and school friends of his. So I'm giving him the Rolex and a small bottle of citrus cleaner along with the explanation that: it is exactly like the Rolex that OJ Simpson wore, but the problem with a Rolex is that people will look at it and be so jealous they will turn green with envy. Unfortnately, that green collects on your wrist under the watch and the cleaner is for removing it. [/ThreadDrift] |
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Post by MLB on Feb 17, 2009 19:57:35 GMT -5
I don't recall seeing a "made in USA" stamp on it anywhere, but that's the claim on their website.
The exposed trigger bar is just a personal dislike. I suppose it could get gummed up with grit or lint or whatever being on the outside of the firearm, but I don't think I could make a solid argument against having it out there. The lack of a slide stop is a bummer, but it apparently doesn't lock back on empty either. That's a bigger drawback for me. I couldn't get it to lock back with an empty magazine.
It would be fun to break down though. With the slide drawn back, there were 2 plastic "rails" or guide rods of some sort that were exposed under the slide alongside the hammer. Got me wondering how the little bugger works.
The 2 ports are positioned just about where the cartridge case would end and located at about 11 and 1 o'clock. They are angled forward and I'd say are about the diameter of a large paper clip wire. That's, say, 0.050" maybe?
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Post by TMan on Feb 18, 2009 5:14:29 GMT -5
The position of the ports is interesting. So as soon as the bullet passes, which is really quick, gas is going to be escaping through the ports. The angle of the ports is interesting.
In a normal blow-back design the mass of the slide keeps the slide from flying open prior to the bullet exiting the barrel. I found the Hi-Point also interesting because it is a 9mm Para, but is the blow back design. However, it works because of the monstrous slide.
So in a little lightweight pistol with blow-back design, you need to do something to delay the slide from moving. With the ports angling forward it would seem that it would cause the barrel and slide to move backward sooner, but it doesn't because the barrel is pinned to the frame in the blow-back design. So the angle of the ports is just to keep the gases from going up the shooter's nose - that might cause flinching.
So the little ports bleed off some of the energy, which would have much the same effect as a heavy slide. Naturally the diameter of the holes is critical because that controls the amount of energy being bleed off. What happens when the holes get dirty and the diameter decreases?
When the Wilson ADP gets dirty, the slide slows down to the point it no longer will function. As I recall, that was at about 120 rounds in our test with my buddy shooting it. What happens when this gun gets dirty? I'm guessing that it would open up sooner, which would effect "accuracy", but this gun is not designed for precision. However, even when dirty, it should still function. I wonder why no one ever thought of doing this before?
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Post by Callahan on Feb 18, 2009 11:46:08 GMT -5
Well, I stopped into the Buffalo Gun Center to pick up a set of checkering files. Thought I'd try my hand at it. You can't just go into a gun store and look at woodworking tools though. While browsing the counter, I was lamenting that you can't get the 3AT in an alloy frame and the counter guy hands me a micro desert eagle. "Made in Israel you know, good stuff". I didn't argue. It is a solid piece of work though. Tight fit, relatively smooth trigger, and cute little ports in the chamber. Those must be the gas assist. I didn't like the exposed trigger bar. Still too pricey at $500 something. Patience, MLB, patience: www.americanrifleman.org/CombackCartridge2.html |
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Post by MLB on Feb 18, 2009 13:17:57 GMT -5
There are definitely two small holes as I've described them, but I wasn't able to disassemble the thing to look in detail. I can't imagine what those holes would be otherwise though. Honestly, I didn't check to see that they went all the way through. I'll take a closer look the next time I'm in there.
The little SIG (238) really interests me, but I'm sure it's no smaller than the ppk/s. The 1911 style straight back trigger is tempting.
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Post by Callahan on Feb 18, 2009 13:22:39 GMT -5
There are definitely two small holes as I've described them, but I wasn't able to disassemble the thing to look in detail. I can't imagine what those holes would be otherwise though. Honestly, I didn't check to see that they went all the way through. I'll take a closer look the next time I'm in there. The little SIG (238) really interests me, but I'm sure it's no smaller than the ppk/s. The 1911 style straight back trigger is tempting. Like they said, the SIG 238 is "old-school cool." It will doubtlessly appeal to those who think the 1911 is the alpha and omega in handguns! |
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Post by TMan on Feb 18, 2009 17:24:05 GMT -5
WHAT? You mean it isn't???
SIG 238? I've got to get out from under this rock. This is the first that I've heard of it. I think if it was 9mm Luger, I'd get one. I have that small Kimber with 3.5" barrel, and haven't carried it in years, but my accuracy with it is about on par as it is with the Kimber 5", and a lot better than with a lot of my less expensive 1911's.
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Post by Callahan on Feb 20, 2009 14:23:36 GMT -5
WHAT? You mean it isn't???SIG 238? I've got to get out from under this rock. This is the first that I've heard of it. I think if it was 9mm Luger, I'd get one. I have that small Kimber with 3.5" barrel, and haven't carried it in years, but my accuracy with it is about on par as it is with the Kimber 5", and a lot better than with a lot of my less expensive 1911's. Hey, c'mon, TMan! MLB and I have been talking about that for weeks. It's the "Mini Me" of the GSR or whatever Sig calls its 1911... |
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Post by TMan on Feb 21, 2009 15:57:58 GMT -5
Do I have computer problems? You have been talking about it in what thread???
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Post by Callahan on Feb 21, 2009 17:02:03 GMT -5
Do I have computer problems? You have been talking about it in what thread??? This was posted Feb. 3 under Walther PK380 and MLB responded, but I'll grant ya the make and model were not mentioned. Think I had also sent that link around earlier about the .380 being the "comeback" cartridge of the year, but could not find it in a quick search: 19.4 ounces! Aiee, chihuahua, what were they thinking? Heck, that's almost what my 9mm PPS weighs.
By the way, I get the online NRA publications. Their latest one said the .380 is the "comeback cartridge" of the year (due to concealed carry).
They pointed out there are FIVE new handguns chambered in this catridge. I don't recall the Walther being listed, so this may be the sixth.
One of the new .380s is a Sig reminiscent of the old Colt Mustang. It's a single-action, 1911-style. Cool factor is pretty strong. Like most Sigs, it's a bit heavy. Probably rock-solid reliable, too. |
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Post by MLB on Feb 23, 2009 11:12:13 GMT -5
A new firearm is coming out and TMan doesn't know about it?! I figured you'd have test fired it already ;-)
Actually, I don't see it as a TMan gun. .380auto just isn't his style. Lotsa money for a little punch from that round. Although if there were a .380 to do it, this may be the one...
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Post by TMan on Mar 26, 2009 7:38:21 GMT -5
The distributor, Ellet Bros, didn't have any of these, but they got a shipment of 50 of them last night. So if one of you 380 guys wants one, have your dealer contact them. (They also got at least 99 of the Ruger LCP). [No, I'm not getting one. I swore no new calibers than what I already have, and so far this year I've added .25 ACP and .500 S&W Magnum.  ] |
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