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Post by taliyev on Jan 11, 2009 21:07:58 GMT -5
Hello fellow members. I am looking for a gun for my daughter. I own a bunch of handguns, but all of them are man's , full size, guns . I am having a hard time figuring out what would be the best gun for my girl. The ideal gun would be: Reliable, Effective ,Compact and easily concealable (easy for woman to carry everyday without constantly struggling with the gun's size and weight), Safe - no accidental firings... My daughter handles full size guns just fine, but finding everyday carry gun for a stylish young woman, without compromising her looks, mobility and safety - is a tough task. I was looking at various guns , but all of them had certain draw backs. I feel that I cannot make a decision without compromising something .... I am lost. I would greatly appreciate hearing opinions of the fellow members, especially most beautiful and gentle ones ..  |
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Post by TMan on Jan 12, 2009 1:26:07 GMT -5
Does your daughter normally carry a purse? If so, I'd strongly recommend a revolver.
With a revolver, you point it and pull the trigger.
Today, in a church parking lot of all places, I looked at a Beretta that was "jammed" with snap caps by its 65 year old owner. It was a F model i.e. DAO, and all I had to do was pull the slide back all the way and release it. Auto's just have user problems that aren't experenced with a revolver.
I can remember years ago wondering why anyone would own a revolver - I've learned.
If cost is a factor, I'd recommend a Taurus 85 vs. one of the S&W models.
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Post by MLB on Jan 12, 2009 9:09:47 GMT -5
Well, I'm far from beautiful and gentle, but since TMan chimed in, I must at least be a close second...
Purse carry is a big plus because you can conceal just about anything you want. You'd be the best judge regarding if your daughter is comfortable enough with a semi-auto or better suited to the ease of a revolver.
The one big disadvantage to purse carry in my view is how easy it is to lose it. Purse-grabbing aside, my wife doesn't constantly have her purse on her shoulder. Often enough, it's in the shopping cart, left in the car while refilling, set on a table while at a party or social gathering. My issue is not that it's not as accessible, but that it's not directly under your constant control. That would bother me. Mine is locked up or on my hip.
If a small semi-auto seems to be in order, I'd think a good start would be to look at the Kel-Tec 3AT or PF9, Walther's PPS, or Ruger's new LCP. They are all small, light, polymer framed handguns.
Regarding the safety bit, nothing's safer that those 4 rules. I'm sure you know that there's no safety made that will help us should we ignore them.
Good to hear from you again Taliyev.
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Post by TA on Jan 12, 2009 22:43:52 GMT -5
The Kahr PM9 is a nice, small 9mm semi-auto. They run well and customer service is very good. It is a very popular choice for concealed carry.
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Post by BIGDOG on Jan 13, 2009 16:17:29 GMT -5
In a couple of my wifes purses she could carry a bazooka or a laws rocket! lol ;D
She likes the j-frame smith
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Post by taliyev on Jan 17, 2009 0:15:50 GMT -5
Thank you for your comments. I guess there are no that many 'beautiful and gentle' members on this forum Purse carrying is a trouble. Not that my daughter ever lost her purse, but those things periodically get left unattended and ,occasionally, invaded by others.... I agree that in an extreme stress situation revolver is a most simple thing to use, but they tend to be relatively bulky... Small semi-autos are easier to conceal , but when they are small (like NAA Guardian), they come in less-effective calibers. Plus, it is hard to predict whether it decides to jam or not ,especially after spending time in a purse... I am trying to make educated decision here , but with my logic I am getting nowhere.... |
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Post by TMan on Jan 17, 2009 10:11:42 GMT -5
In regards to revolvers being bulky: I used to carry the Seecamp quite regularly, but I never had complete faith in it because of the caliber and the fact that it might jam. I carry the S&W revolver in a pocket holster, and find that it works quite well in anything except the tightest pants.
Hmmm, having seen some young girls wearing jeans that had to have been sewn onto them, any type of concealment for them would be difficult. (Wonder how you would conceal in a bikini.
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Post by MLB on Jan 17, 2009 20:37:30 GMT -5
Our old acquaintance Xavierbreath once commented in a review that a KelTec 3AT was small enough to be concealed at a nudist colony. I've never been able to look at them the same since.
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Post by TMan on Jan 18, 2009 7:20:55 GMT -5
Thanks for that visual thought MLB; I just thought of a woman that I know that I've never thought of as being nude. I'm sure she could hide my 460XVR.
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Post by taliyev on Jan 18, 2009 18:10:57 GMT -5
Gentlemen! You are turning this thread the way that would be offending to our unfortunately missing gentle and beautiful members Different topic below: Would somebody care to explain to me why all ammunition is doubled in price in the recent years and why everybody is running like crazy and buying all ammo from all suppliers? Do they know something that I do not? A few years back, I bought a substantial amount of ammo that lasted for these recent years. Now, I am at the point where I need to refill my everyday playing ammo so I would not have to dig into my 'end-of -days' reserve. I look around and scream : 'What the heck! What happened?!' Why there is no ammo on the market? And whatever is there is so expensive? Guns went up just a little bit , but ammo has doubled, sometimes tripled, in price... Do masses believe that our new president is going to forbid ammo sales? Although, I noticed ammo prices went up way-way before elections.... What am I missing in the picture? Is war depleting resources of the ammo manufacturers? Is it just a big money game like with gas? |
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Post by TMan on Jan 19, 2009 10:05:53 GMT -5
Actually, there are combined reasons. You probably haven't noticed, but the price of guns have gone up a lot too. Part of this is the weakness in the dollar (we import a lot of ammo), but one of the major reasons is the cost of metals, just about all metals have gone up considerably. When you think about it, our ammo has a lot of metal in it. Another reason is what you mentioned: the law of supply and demand. The wars have used up a lot of ammo. Add to that is what you mentioned, the fear of what the gun control crazy people are going to do in Washington. Washington, with some of the tightest gun control laws in the country is a model of what the country should become. They never have any murders or gun related crimes.  Will the price of ammo continue to go up? I expect so unless some supplier has a cash flow problem and wants to dump some. I'm not going to be shooting much this year, even if I stay home, because of the remodeling project. Speaking of which: the oven was roughly $3500, and I thought that was a real rip-off, but then I found out that it weighs 310lbs. I had to build a wooden platform to put it on in order to slide it into the cabinet. It has a lot of metal in it. The new dishwasher is nearly totally plastic with the exception of the frame and stainless steel liner, so it was only double the cost of the old one - plastic is relatively cheap compared to today's metal prices. If I do get back to shooting this year, most of it will be with .177 pellets, and I do want to get some new air-guns, I just don't know what yet. So my advice is to max out your credit cards now on ammo. ;D And speaking of credit cards: I found out that unlike other cards, American Express doesn't hit you with a penalty for exceeding your credit limit as long as it isn't over the limit on your cut-off day when they bill you for the month. So if you have a $10,000 credit limit and charge $20,000, as long as you send them $10,000 before your cut-off day, there isn't a penalty. (Nice to know if your wife picks $225/sq ft countertop  ) |
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Post by 5ontarget on Jan 21, 2009 8:32:45 GMT -5
Even surplus ammo has gone up...laws of supply and demand at work again. About a year ago I was buying ~700rds of 8mm ammo for $60-70, the very same ammo is now $200. (glad I bought a lot of it back then I've considered selling some of it and using some of the profits to fund my realoading bench and supplies. Seems like the best investment I've made in the past year. |
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Jan 21, 2009 23:32:03 GMT -5
I wonder if it's anything to the cost brass these days ? Maybe the reason have I seeing my news reports of why so many air conditioner thefts are taking place. There is no doubt, the rise cost of brass has a lot with do the rising cost of ammo.
Most my guns man size guns, which I don't doubt many women will a very time shooting. However; I think daughter favor the handling characteristics of a semi-auto, if she is not bothered by heavier trigger pulls from the revolvers.
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Post by Callahan on Feb 10, 2009 7:42:16 GMT -5
Taliyev,
Getting back to the original thread topic, one type if concealable pistol that has not been mentioned is the derringer. The .22-Magnum is a fairly respectable round.
They have them chambered in larger caliber rounds, too, though those pistols are stouter.
I know joggers like them. With a dark cotton shirt, they can be attached to a lanyard and worn around the neck.
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Post by MLB on Feb 11, 2009 8:50:55 GMT -5
I have a rifle chambered in 22 magnum, and it has quite a bark compared to the .22lr. I can imagine what it would be like in a derringer.
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Post by Callahan on Feb 11, 2009 11:58:36 GMT -5
I have a rifle chambered in 22 magnum, and it has quite a bark compared to the .22lr. I can imagine what it would be like in a derringer. MLB: That's the problem with many of the self-defense guns, especially derringers -- a heavy caliber for the weight. But the .22 Magnum would seem mild compared to American Derringer's pistol chambered for .410 shotgun shells or .45 Long Colt -- can you imagine? That's what "The Judge" fires and it's a heavyweight! I think you could also get it in .22 LR. Is your .22 Magnum rifle a Marlin bolt-action with a detachable magazine? I have one. Check these babies out: www.bondarms.com/ifirearms.php |
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Post by TMan on Feb 11, 2009 12:51:42 GMT -5
I don't think 22WMR is a good choice for a Derringer because the Derringer frame is so big. Since my butt has gotten bigger, I have a few pairs of old pants that are a little tight. When I wear those pants, I typically stick the NAA revolver in 22WMR in my pocket - in a pocket holster.
I have two Bond Arms derringers, with 9mm, 410/45LC, and 357Mag barrels. I keep the 410 configuration in the door pocket of the Z8 loaded with 410 3" shells having a total of 5 pellets in each shell.
I also have another Derringer by another manufacturer, and it is chambered in 45ACP.
Note: the only time I've ever got complaints at the range was when shooting the Bond Arms with the 357 Magnum barrel. The noise is unreal. It dances around alot in your palm too.
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Post by MLB on Feb 11, 2009 20:00:44 GMT -5
My .22wmr rifle is a Marlin 883. Bolt action with a tube magazine. Bought it for my wife. She liked my old J.C. Higgins better. Go figure.
I've been toying with the idea of getting a pocket gun. I'd likely end up with a kel-tec in .380 though. Those things are no fun to shoot though, and for the same size as a .22wmr derringer, I can have a .380 or even maybe a 9mm.
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Post by TMan on Feb 11, 2009 21:08:53 GMT -5
MLB, if you go Kel-Tec, why not the PF-9 in 9mm. I still think the 380 is a bit of a wimpy round and not much better than the 32ACP.
I will say that for target shooting, the PF-9 is not all that comfortable to shoot, but for carry...
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Post by MLB on Feb 12, 2009 9:47:11 GMT -5
I like the fact that it's a 9mm, but the PF-9 is roughly the same size as my ppk/s that I generally carry IWB. I've put the Walther in a pocket before (actually in my carry holster), but it was far from comfortable. The KelTec is half the weight though, that would be a big help.
I really don't like either one of the kel tecs any more than I like my tape measure. That one is purely a tool (if I ever get one). The 3AT is dramatically smaller than both my beloved steel Walther, and the more powerful PF-9.
I think what I'd pick up without a second thought would be an alloy framed 9mm or even .380auto that's 3AT sized.
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