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Post by taliyev on Feb 12, 2009 22:47:16 GMT -5
I've looked at Rohrbaugh. Nice smallest 9mm gun but way too expensive... My current list of candidates: Kahr MK9, S&W 640, Guardian 380, Walther PPK/S. As you can see - no plastic  |
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Post by Callahan on Feb 13, 2009 14:30:04 GMT -5
Hello fellow members. I am looking for a gun for my daughter. I own a bunch of handguns, but all of them are man's , full size, guns . I am having a hard time figuring out what would be the best gun for my girl. The ideal gun would be: Reliable, Effective ,Compact and easily concealable (easy for woman to carry everyday without constantly struggling with the gun's size and weight), Safe - no accidental firings... My daughter handles full size guns just fine, but finding everyday carry gun for a stylish young woman, without compromising her looks, mobility and safety - is a tough task. I was looking at various guns , but all of them had certain draw backs. I feel that I cannot make a decision without compromising something .... I am lost. I would greatly appreciate hearing opinions of the fellow members, especially most beautiful and gentle ones .. Taliyev, there was nothing in your post to tip us off you had a problem with polymer guns, if fact, it looked like heavy, steel guns would be ruled out. Would have been nice to know about that restriction up front. |
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Post by taliyev on Feb 13, 2009 15:47:19 GMT -5
There is no restrictions.... just a mental case I truly wish to want to have a plastic gun, but every time I take one into my hands.... this desire somehow disappears.... Among plastic guns I favor XD9 in 3" and G26 ...but they are kinda big for required application... although not bigger than S&W 640.... |
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Post by TMan on Feb 16, 2009 4:23:42 GMT -5
I still believe what the guy behind the counter at a gun store told me one time (he has since gone to that place where all your shots are bullseye's, and I miss him): "the best thing for a wife is a revolver - you point and pull the trigger". No racking the slide, no remembering to take off the safety, no clearing jams...
Yes, a revolver can jam. When it does, you take it to a gunsmith. I've never seen a revolver jam because someone limp-wristed it.
So, that is my 2 cents or more appropriately 2 jiao
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Post by Callahan on Feb 16, 2009 15:23:37 GMT -5
I still believe what the guy behind the counter at a gun store told me one time (he has since gone to that place where all your shots are bullseye's, and I miss him): "the best thing for a wife is a revolver - you point and pull the trigger". No racking the slide, no remembering to take off the safety, no clearing jams... Yes, a revolver can jam. When it does, you take it to a gunsmith. I've never seen a revolver jam because someone limp-wristed it. So, that is my 2 cents or more appropriately 2 jiao I agree. Only problem I recall a woman having with one was a friend's wife who was home alone one night and heard strange noises. She got out a S&W .38 Special and cocked the hammer. After a few minutes she decided it was nothing and then found she was too frightened to release the hammer manually. Wound up calling the cops. One came over and returned it to the state it never should have left! |
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Post by MLB on Feb 16, 2009 21:17:45 GMT -5
Just wait, after the lawyer lock is commonplace, you'll see the revolver decocker.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Mar 2, 2009 5:03:12 GMT -5
This will keep the thumb off the hammer.
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Post by TMan on Mar 2, 2009 9:15:59 GMT -5
DA, I know your point was about the hammer, but what is with that porting? I'd really like to see what the effect of all those ports are on muzzle velocity. It must have some effect. Do you know who does the porting?
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Post by taliyev on Mar 2, 2009 15:43:16 GMT -5
We ended-up getting S&W 640 (no hammer) and Guardian 380... Porting on that picture seems to be excessive.... Plus , in general, porting on a small self-defense gun may be more dangerous than useful . If gun is low and close to the body during shooting, it may burn, blind and disorient shooter, and this is going to be in addition to the stress that he or she is already experiencing while being under attack..
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Mar 2, 2009 19:30:40 GMT -5
We ended-up getting S&W 640 (no hammer) and Guardian 380... Porting on that picture seems to be excessive.... Plus , in general, porting on a small self-defense gun may be more dangerous than useful . If gun is low and close to the body during shooting, it may burn, blind and disorient shooter, and this is going to be in addition to the stress that he or she is already experiencing while being under attack.. |
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Post by Callahan on Mar 3, 2009 14:11:53 GMT -5
We ended-up getting S&W 640 (no hammer) and Guardian 380... Porting on that picture seems to be excessive.... Plus , in general, porting on a small self-defense gun may be more dangerous than useful . If gun is low and close to the body during shooting, it may burn, blind and disorient shooter, and this is going to be in addition to the stress that he or she is already experiencing while being under attack.. Interesting. Though I think a revolver is a perfect choice for a woman, I doubt she's going to be able to handle .357/.38 special. Training will be a real chore for her. The Guardian would have been a good choice a few years ago, but there are many semi-autos out there now with more power and capacity at about the same size and weight. If I had to get an all-metal auto, I would have gone with something like the Kahr. |
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Post by taliyev on Mar 3, 2009 18:13:53 GMT -5
Interesting. Though I think a revolver is a perfect choice for a woman, I doubt she's going to be able to handle .357/.38 special. Training will be a real chore for her. The Guardian would have been a good choice a few years ago, but there are many semi-autos out there now with more power and capacity at about the same size and weight. If I had to get an all-metal auto, I would have gone with something like the Kahr. During conversations with my daughter another criteria has arisen that dismissed Kahr models. She has expressed desire for the second strike capability, which is missing in Kahrs... I ran across CPX-1 from Skyy/Sccy... Relatively small 9mm gun with real DAO and safety switch... I liked it, but based on what I have heard, reliability is an issue there... I may buy it for myself latter... |
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Mar 3, 2009 20:25:48 GMT -5
DA, I know your point was about the hammer, but what is with that porting? I'd really like to see what the effect of all those ports are on muzzle velocity. It must have some effect. Do you know who does the porting? More on the Will Shuemann Hybra-Ports The Weigand S&W 640 Revolver Other Articles on Jack Weigand |
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Post by Callahan on Mar 12, 2009 11:07:10 GMT -5
That Sccy outfit seems to consistently come out with pistols that look amazingly like those of another Florida company -- Kel-Tec. Must be a coincidence. Notice also that the Ruger LCR looks a lot like a Kel-Tec 3AT. I went with the Kel-Tec PF-9, rather than the Sccy. Both have the dreaded polymer frame, Toliyev.  The K-T is lighter, for one thing. Did not check other dimensions. K-T also has accessories such as trigger shoes and mag extensions. Anyway, it sounds like you really did your homework in your search for pistols. One suggestion, though. You and your daughter ought to Google "second strike fallacy." For self-defense situations, "tap, rack, bang" should be incorporated in her training. |
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Post by TA on Mar 13, 2009 20:30:16 GMT -5
I agree 100%. There are a lot of guns out there that do not have this ability. Countless civilians carry them for protection as well as law enforcement and military units all over the world. Kahr, Glock and Springfield XD are just a few that come to mind. With practice and training, one can competently get through to a fresh round in just a few seconds. There are some very good options for handguns that do have 2nd strike capability, but I wouldn't rule out the above mentioned guns for this reason alone.
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Post by MLB on Mar 16, 2009 9:19:26 GMT -5
If the cartridge didn't go "bang" the first time, probably better to move on anyway.
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The K-T is lighter, for one thing. Did not check other dimensions. K-T also has accessories such as trigger shoes and mag extensions.