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Post by TMan on Apr 11, 2010 14:23:40 GMT -5
The PMR30 interested me since I first saw it on Gunblast.com; it didn't take long for me to want one (about 3 nanoseconds).
I haven't seen it at the distributors yet, but I did a Google search and found the following:
What really intrigues me is: "automatically adjusting between locked breech and blowback depending on the pressure". How the heck do they do that?
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Post by MLB on Apr 12, 2010 8:17:50 GMT -5
The 30 round capacity is very interesting, but as NYS residents are too dangerous to be trusted with any more than 10 at a time, much of the allure is missing.
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Post by 5ontarget on Apr 12, 2010 17:05:40 GMT -5
I've been trying to follow this some as well.
The stuff I've read on the KT forums says should be at the distributers mid April at the very earliest. Look more like late May/June for retail sales.
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Post by Callahan on Apr 13, 2010 13:13:17 GMT -5
Let the buyer beware.
I've owned three Kel-Tecs (still have two of them), and I would strongly advise you guys to not buy from the early production runs.
I have a "Second Generation" 3AT that solved all the problems with the first model.
I also have a PF-9 (pistol, flat, 9mm) that I bought after I thought they had worked out all the kinks in that new model. It wound up going back to the factory and was virtually a new pistol when it came back to me.
They seem to do a lot of product testing at the consumer level now.
That being said, I'm fairly interested, even though my stainless Ruger Mark III is a higher quality pistol. I like having a pistol with that capacity that can shoot out way past 50 yards. I also have a Marlin rifle in .22WM so they could make a great camping matchup. The rifle is accurate at 100 yards.
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Post by 5ontarget on Apr 13, 2010 18:52:36 GMT -5
I was one of the test customers and have a first gen 3AT. It took some work, and a lot of ammo to break in. Oh yeah, and some more practice with different grip positions as my paws only let my middle finger and some of my ring finger hold the pistol. I should get the little extender from the Bersa magazines so I can get more control.
Took something on the order of 300rds to get reliable, if I remember right. At the going rate of .380, that gets spendy quick!
Thats one of the nice things I see with the pmr30, ammo is much more available.
Fortunately, KT has very good customer service. They take and repair guns that have been "worked" on, even though the written warranty says it is void. Their guns usually don't need too much more than some light filing or polishing to smooth out some of the machining.
According to much internet lore, MSRP is $299. At that price, much like the first gen 3AT at sub $200, I'll do a little polishing/filing.
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Post by TMan on Apr 13, 2010 20:11:40 GMT -5
Thank you 5OT. After reading my fellow Texan's post I discovered I didn't need a laxative. I just got the ISSC back this week, and they did fix it. I tend to be one of the first kids on the block to get a new gun (and subsequently lose it). That probably isn't the smartest thing to do.
I just ordered the Masterpiece Arms MP22T-A, which was on my 2010 Wishlist, today. I wonder what kind of problems I'll have with it???
It's not been a great day. I started off for the range then remembered that I didn't bring any 38 Super ammo. I went back and got it because I remembered that Ed wanted to try it in my 1911.
At the range I loaded a magazine with 38 Super and put the magazine into the Kimber Patriarch. I racked the slide, pulled the trigger and nothing happened. I dropped the magazine, checked the chamber, and found nothing i.e. there was nothing in the chamber. Ed must be bad luck, I've shot this before with no problems. I then noticed the top round was sort of tipped up at a peculiar angle. Strange. I reseated it, tapped the magazine on the carpet, inserted it, racked the slide and still nothing. I then concluded something had to be wrong with this gun and unloaded the magazine. It only had 4 rounds. Where the heck was the 5th round. I found it on the ground in front of the bench. How did it get there? Back in the twilight zone again. I then looked at the barrel and saw that it said 45ACP. So what shoots the 38 Super? It took me awhile, but I finally remembered it was the Doug Koenig S&W.
So I got home, and decided I'd get the S&W out so it would be ready for Ed to shoot it. Let's see... S&W... that means a blue case. None of the 4 safes had it. OK, so did I set it down somewhere. Nope, searched all over the house. Did I leave it at the range? I started going through the safes again. Then I noticed a fairly large silver colored metal case. What was that? Oh crap, I forgot the gun came in a Performance Center case.
Maybe you can have too many guns.
The difference between my wife and I is she is missing a triple strand of pearls. I've found my gun, but she can't find the pearls.
I haven't seen any information on the PMR30 price yet, so I don't know what it will cost me, but I'll probably still go for it as soon as it comes out.
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Post by 5ontarget on Apr 14, 2010 9:53:03 GMT -5
Tman, I know you well enough to know that you aren't afraid to work on guns a little  Like Callahan was saying, don't be too suprised if there are some problems, especially with the early offerings of it, especially judging by their past track record. I'll probably look to get one this year sometime. perhaps after your range report  |
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Post by Callahan on Apr 14, 2010 14:28:47 GMT -5
Tman, I know you well enough to know that you aren't afraid to work on guns a little Like Callahan was saying, don't be too suprised if there are some problems, especially with the early offerings of it, especially judging by their past track record. I'll probably look to get one this year sometime. perhaps after your range report TMan: Ouch! I assure you, it's never my intent to cause a gut reaction at that level ... 5ontarget: Yeah, I was trying to "break in" the PF-9 when it broke. The extractor spring snapped in half. Couldn't figure out for a second why the spent cases weren't ejecting. No problem since K-T factory rebuilt it. |
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Post by TMan on Dec 7, 2011 19:31:04 GMT -5
Well, this one is off my list. While I was up at Becky's today she told me that she had something to show me. It was the PMR30. It was already sold to another customer, but I did pick it up and look at it.
Since it was going to belong to someone else, I didn't rack the slide or do anything other than hold it. I was shocked at how light that it was. I kind of was expecting something along the lines of the FN Five-Seven. Not so - this is just kind of cheezy looking. It is not something I'd want to show up at the range with. (Yes, yes, yes, I have taken the engraved Jennings to the range; and there are some members there that won't let me forget it).
Becky did finally give in and let me have a Solo.
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Post by MLB on Dec 8, 2011 9:25:17 GMT -5
I really liked the feel of the Solo. The counter guy actually encouraged me to slide it into my pocket (I must be an honest looking chap.) I hear it's a bit finicky about ammo, but it was the price that dissuaded me. That, and it's about the same size as the ppk/s (though the 9mm is a big improvement over the .380.)
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Post by TMan on Dec 8, 2011 9:35:23 GMT -5
Hmmm, I think my PPK's are 32ACP vs 380 can that be right? I'm in the process of filling out a notebook with manufacturer, model, SKU (if available), and serial number. In retrospect, I should have included caliber.
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Post by MLB on Dec 8, 2011 19:19:21 GMT -5
The ppk was originally designed for the .32. As I recall, you have one in .22, that's another one that would be fun to play with.
Being the data miner that you are, I'm surprised that you don't at least have an Access database of your firearms put together. Even a simpleton like me can do that (I use Access for our business project and contact databases.) One for guns would be very useful for you. At the very least, it may keep you from purchasing guns that you already own ;D
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Post by TMan on Dec 8, 2011 21:44:06 GMT -5
I never thought about using Access for it. I have a spreadsheet that I started, but it was taking too long. So I wrote stuff in a notebook and will transfer it to the spreadsheet. I can always import the spreadsheet into Access, but I don't see what advantage I'd gain from that i.e. I'd only have a single table, so it wouldn't be any different than a spreadsheet. I once had everything on a PDA, but when it died, I would have to have bought the same type in order to restore the back-up. I wasn't happy. What I have in Access is truly relational database stuff in 3rd normal form, and I currently have 134 tables. Then I also use it to access the MySQL and SQL Server tables that Sports South and Acusport use. RSR, Davidson's and Ellett Bros have flat files (CSV's) that I download daily and then map to them without loading them directly into Access. Access is really a pretty cool product. Becky's database is on a separate SQL Server system that is remote from me, but I can connect to it, transfer data to it. However, I have to log onto their system via Access and run stored procedures to update her database from the delta tables that i just got done transferring. Because of the crappy internet connection between China and the USA when I was in China I changed the program to only transmit changed data within a row. So there would only be a row if there was a change for a gun, and only the changed columns (plus the key) were transmitted; the others were null. Yes, I have the Interarms PPK in 22LR. It is blued, and I have some nice dark wood grips for it. I think I have two others. Yes, I remember being surprised when Becky finally got me one and it said Smith & Wesson on it. Then within the last couple of years I got that Talo edition. Yes, I just checked on their web-site. It is the Royal Scot PPK and is in 380. I don't plan on shooting it.  |
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Dec 9, 2011 1:17:13 GMT -5
I don't plan on shooting it. ....I can't say that I would blame you for not wanting to shoot this piece; With that said; Have you picked out a holster for it ? ....Galco makes some very nice exotic holsters for these kind of pistols. |
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Dec 9, 2011 1:26:41 GMT -5
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Post by MLB on Dec 9, 2011 9:07:49 GMT -5
I suppose it would be much easier to use a spreadsheet as opposed to Access. Sorting it on any of the columns would give you any info that you might need.
The only benefit that Access would provide would be the reports that could be produced via query (show me all of the myriad firearms that I've obtained in 9mm between 2007 and 2009, and sort them by manufacturer, for example)
I think I might need to install Firefox here at work. Chrome won't let me pm... bother.
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Post by TMan on Dec 9, 2011 10:45:10 GMT -5
DA thanks for the information on holsters, however, as it applies to the PPK, I don't plan on shooting it so I would never carry it. I would never carry a gun that hadn't proven itself with at least 50 flawless rounds of the ammo that I'm going to carry in it.
Considering storage: didn't I read somewhere that it is not a good idea to store a gun in a leather holster because it can promote rust? Or is it the other way around - storing it in a leather holster prevents rust?
I have climate control 24/7 monitored storage except for the stuff that is here at the house, which causes me the most worry.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Dec 10, 2011 5:14:06 GMT -5
....TMan : "not a good idea to store a gun in a leather holster"
.....TMan; Holsters are designed for carrying handguns on a person's body, not for storage. I wear pants, but I don't sleep in my pants. ;D
...If the pistol is a copy of the PPK, it should work in the same holster, has the American made PPK.
....I have seen the aftermath handguns stored in leather holsters; My father had preach many years to me on the topic, but....He wasn't very good at doing as he was preaching.....One day, I asked to see his blued cased harden Colt SAA revolver.....He had it stored in a unlined cheap leather holster, and everywhere the metal was touching the leather, the rust had fused the metal to the leather....I have seen a lot more of this, when looking at Used Handguns.
.....Has usual; Thanks for bringing these kind of things up TMan; Maybe we can save a few good handguns from rust ;D
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