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Post by TMan on Jul 9, 2010 18:30:58 GMT -5
There was a new member at the range this morning. Since I was RO, I was watching him rather closely. He was shooting a Raven in 25ACP, and having a few jams. He had a 12" target at 7 yards and apparently was saving it for later i.e. no holes in it.
He then shot a Judge with 45 COLT, and was high, but was at least hitting the target.
He then switched to a XD, and it was jammed big time. I watched him working on it for awhile and then went to his aid. It had a round in the chamber, but it hadn't gone all the way into battery. Then I noticed the box of ammo: 9mm MAKAROV.
One of the senior members was there (he has shot at Camp Perry), and we took the gun over to him. With a large screwdriver he was able to pry it open. I checked it by hand-cycling and the ejecter was okay. Incidently, the 9mm MAKAROV has a diameter of .364 vs. the .355 diameter of the 9mm LUGER.
He also had a box of 9mm LUGER with him (go figure) and was fairly successful in shooting it.
So then came another new member, a more senior person, with a brand-new Springfield EMP. He asked me how to lock the slide open!!! Being such a nice guy, I showed him and told him that when he disassembles it, to follow the manual, but do it the alternate way that they describe. It is a heck of a lot easier than trying to slip that little piece of plastic in there and have it snap on there all the way (I've only been able to do it with the use of a tool). I now do it the alternate way, which is to remove the slide first.
The good new is: nobody shot me, but I did get bit by a few mosquitos. All this rain we have been having lately has been nice for the grass, but...
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Post by 5ontarget on Jul 10, 2010 7:47:37 GMT -5
Glad to hear it worked out without injuries. Wonder what would have happened if it had been .380. It probably wouldn't feed. I've never tried though. (I don't plan to either)
I had a guy at the range tell me he shot .380 through a 9x18 mak before. .380 is a smaller diameter and smaller case length. He said it fed and extracted. Definitely not on my list of stuff to do, or recommend to others.
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Post by mtnboomer on Jul 10, 2010 23:48:02 GMT -5
Yes, newbies really need to learn correct care and feeding of their firearms. It's no wonder there are so many firearms-related "accidents" for the tabloids to exploit. Another burr under my saddle is with (some) law enforcement and military arms instructors. The majority know their job, and know it well! But there are a tiny few that think they know their job. Such is the reason we have the YouTube video of the DEA agent, in a classroom full of children, that shoots himself in the foot. On the military side (I live in a suburb of Oklahoma City where Tinker Air Force Base is located) I have met several young military personel that scared the holy sh*t out of me! When I was unfortunate enough to be a Wally World employee I worked closely with the Sporting Goods section. We had a young airman come in one evening and start talking to about having a .22 Mag. rifle - okay, no cause for alarm - yet. He then began talking about converting it t a .22-250! When we told him it couldn't be done he got pissed off, told us we didn't know what the hell we were talking about and stormed out of the store! Scarry!  |
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Post by TMan on Jul 13, 2010 6:43:37 GMT -5
"Air Force" ? Got any idea how much weapons training AF guys receive?
When I went through basic, one morning they handed us a M1 Carbine and pointed us at the target. No ear protection. I don't remember if they taught us to field strip it or not.
Before going to Vietnam, I had to qualify with the AR-15. I remember that well, and still wonder what would have happened had I not qualified. I do remember that there wasn't any instructions with that either, but the Sgt. in charge did give us a demo of a full auto with one.
I was issued my own M-16 at Bien Hoa, which I kept in my wall locker along with 2 loaded magazines. The first night we were attacked, I couldn't find the magazines in my messy locker. By the time I located them and got to the bunker, the attack was over. That did not happen again. ;D
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Post by Callahan on Jul 13, 2010 10:33:09 GMT -5
When I went through basic, one morning they handed us a M1 Carbine and pointed us at the target. No ear protection. I don't remember if they taught us to field strip it or not. ;D When did you go through basic, TMan? I was in Lackland for basic in August 1964. I think I may have fired the M-1 first, also. And then the ARs came in and we had to fire them, too. I remember really disliking the AR, since I was used to heavy, wooden-stocked hunting rifles. |
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Post by TMan on Jul 13, 2010 12:03:07 GMT -5
Callahan, it was September 1962. I went in before going to college. I didn't have money for college, and it was before the big government loans and handouts, and I was afraid of being drafted and ending up in the Army.
Although I have some AR's I'm not big a big fan of the design. Why the need for the "forward assist" if the design was as good as the AK's.
I think that the Soviets were way ahead of us in that aspect, but I sure don't understand the 9mm Makarov. Why would they want a bullet that was larger than what the enemy was using? I wonder if a 9MM Luger could be shot out of a Makarov pistol?
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Post by Callahan on Jul 13, 2010 12:24:28 GMT -5
Ha! That's funny. I did the same thing as you, two years later, and also went to college after the service. I assume you went on the GI Bill, too.
Are the Makarovs blowback pistols? If so, 9mm Luger might be more than they were designed for.
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Post by TMan on Jul 13, 2010 18:51:29 GMT -5
Well, you hit the nail on the head: it is a blowback design and the Makarov round is about the same ME as the 38SPCL. To have a blowback with the Luger round, you need a big slide like is on the Hi-Point.
No, I didn't use the GI bill. I got on a special program with the company and they paid for my tuition, books, and lab fees. They also gave me time off from work to attend classes. However, it did draw a frown when I changed my major to math. Math is easy because you are right or you are wrong. I'll never forget writing a paper is some stupid history course on the dropping of "the bomb" and only got a B- on it. That convinced me that math was the way to go. Even with computer programs, the instructor can give you a grade based on how he thinks your program should have been written. I did have a minor in what they now call computer science.
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