KRISS Vector SDP

[TMan]

This looks to be a rather interesting design, and is currently available.

The full auto version for the military and LE fires from the closed bolt. There is a Flash Player video showing how it operates on page: www.kriss-tdi.com/products/technology-overview.html

Notice how low the barrel is compared to where the center of the operator's hand would be. It looks like it would be between the 1st and 2nd knuckle on my paw.

They claim 95% reduction in muzzle flip. Also, and overall reduction in recoil of up to 60% (love those "up to" statements).

There is more information on the full-auto version: www.kriss-tdi.com/products/kriss-smg-45-acp/overviewcrbso.html

[MLB]

Looks like they relocated the grip and trigger assembly above and behind your typical semi-auto (or auto as the case may be). Effective, but bulky. I don't think I'd trade the decreased recoil flip for all of that bulk though.

[TMan]

MLB, did I say something that would make you think it was for concealed carry? ;D

It weighs 5.6 lbs, but they say that in the semi-auto version that you can double-tap and put the second round in the same hole as the first.

There is a rather long, but interesting video on: www.kriss-tdi.com/component/content/4.html?task=view

I couldn't get it to run on IE, but it played just fine on Opera. It is worth watching even though the emphasis is on the full auto, well selectable-fire, model.

Modified to add:

This Youtube is about the full auto rifle (and we are on a Handgun Forum), but it shows a bit more about the operation.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnKd6iXHTQg&feature=related

[5ontarget]

You have one on order yet?

[TMan]

Apr 12, 2011 9:22:26 GMT -5 5ontarget said:

You have one on order yet?

Are you new to this board?

[TMan]

The picture on Acusport's web-site shows the pistol having sights, but the one on the manufacturer's web-site does not. So,
I sent the manufacturer an e-mail, and they said it does come with sights and they need to update their web-site.

See if the Acusport picture displays:



I expect to pick mine up later in the week if everything goes well, i.e. I'm not in jail.

[5ontarget]

Yup that picture shows up too. Looking forward to the range report on this one.

[TMan]

Well, Acusport got the sights right, but not the description: it did not come with a 30rd magazine extension. They have since updated their web-site to show just the Glock 21 magazine with a capacity of 13 rounds.

I was kind of surprised when Becky handed me the case because it was a rifle. The thought crossed my mind: hope they didn't send me the wrong thing. They didn't. In the case was a single Glock 21 magazine, a lock, an Otis cleaning kit, and a shoulder strap.

The gun is heavy in spite of the use of plastic. Operationally, it is a very simple design. As the bolt moves back, the bolt carrier and recoil spring make a 90 degree turn and move down into the base. It absorbs energy as well as redirecting it during this operation. Unfortunately it requires a considerable amount of force to cock it manually to chamber the first round.

Keep in mind that his is the ugly step-sister of the sub-machine gun. This fact is very apparent when you pull the trigger. Creepy and gritty. Also, I don't see how the trigger assembly would be removed from the upper housing.

I registered on-line and they sent me via e-mail a coupon code for $20 off on anything you order from their site. I used it to order a 30 round extension. Fortunately, I registered before ordering or I would have paid $20 more for the extension.

The sights fold down in case you want to put on some optics without removing the hard sights.

This was the first pistol that Becky sold. She said that she had sold two of the rifles already. She took the first order over the telephone, and she said that she had no idea what he was talking about. He said: "well it is on your web-site".

I understand that it was a Swiss design, but is being produced in the USA. I'm really impressed with the quality of the design and fit and finish. I'll let you know if I'm still in love with it after shooting it.

["DoubleAction"]

[TMan]

Back from the range and finally getting to shoot this thing, and I wasn't the only one. Since I was RO for 4 hours, I had plenty of time, and I let 3 other people, one of which was a Fort Worth police officer shoot it.

Before you think that I'm just a generous guy letting other people shoot it let me explain my agenda: 1) I wanted to see how much the muzzle moved up during shooting. 2) Seeing other people shoot it would give me an idea of the accuracy 3) Others impressions would be interesting.

I also field-striped it at the range to show people the insides and how easy it was to field strip it.

One of the shooters is an excellent shot. I've known him for a couple of years and let him shoot other guns that I own. Typically, I will gauge the guns based on his accuracy. With the SDP, he put 4 out of the 5 rounds he shot into the same hole, and the 5th just barely missed.

No problems with any of the rounds fired. One person did get one of his rounds outside the center ring at 7 yards, and he splattered the rest around the center.

What didn't I like? Well, with my weak should muscles there is no way that I could shoot this thing with one hand. Shooting it with two hands requires you to support it in the front with the weak hand. Since this is quite far forward, it means that you can't come close to locking the strong arm's elbow. It doesn't feel natural for me to hold a gun in this fashion. If you observe the above video that DA posted, you will notice that they added a hand stock to the front lower rail. However, when shooting it, the shooter never reaches that far forward. He grabs it where I grab the pistol when shooting. I tried a two hand grip like I would on a 1911, and that didn't feel right either.

What would I change? I would be happier if the trigger system was much more crisp (weight is OK).

Knowing what I now know, would I buy it again: this will surprise you, but the answer is no. Instead I would buy the carbine with the folding stock and 16 inch barrel. (I have no problem with the 5.5" barrel, but I'd like the folding stock so I could shoot it like a rifle).

[MLB]

While it's not for me, I'm always glad to see innovations in firearms. Thanks for the review!

[TMan]

You are welcome. I gave my comments to the manufacturer, and got a quick reply suggesting that I use the sling that was supplied with it. With the sling you can shoot with one hand by adjusting it so you are pulling up on the gun as you push out. (Not sure that made sense the way I termed it).

Anyhow, I was so impressed with the pistol, guess what I have on order:



Modified to add following link:

www.kriss-tdi.com/kriss-store.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl2&product_id=48&category_id=2

[MLB]

Almost looks like a suppressor...

[TMan]

Definitely a Heavy Barrel for sure.

Ed shot the Kriss today, and we were both impressed with the accuracy. I need to adjust the sights. Nearly all my shots were in the 10 and 9 ring, but the one big hole was in the middle of the 9/10 juncture. I only had one round that went into the 8 ring. This is shooting offhand at 7 yards. Ed's comment was that it shoots as well as any of my other guns. Considering the price was nearly half of what some of my other guns were, that did sting a little.

Watching Ed shoot it, you could definitely see the recoil, but the muzzle flip was mostly non-existant.

[TMan]

Finally, a review by Gunblast: www.gunblast.com/Kriss-Vector.htm