What Is The Most Copied Pistol in the World ?

["DoubleAction"]

...I'm thinking that it is the 1911.

....Far too many firearm manufacturers has cloned the 1911, to cash in on it's popularity. When S&W, Sig Sauer, and Ruger began making their own versions; I knew that the markets was in demand for 1911.

....I really don't know, off hand, how many clones of the 1911 exist; I would have to do some research to find out how many.

....For this; I would have to place my bid that The 1911 is probably my first choice, has the most copied pistol in the world.

[TMan]

Well, it isn't covered by patents so anyone can make one and not pay royalities.

A close second has to be a polymer, striker-fired pistol that is made in Austria. Although there are far more manufacturers making the 1911, it is still an expensive gun to make. In sheer volume I would think there are more plastic guns out there then there are 1911's.

["DoubleAction"]

Mar 8, 2012 20:51:06 GMT -5 TMan said:

Well, it isn't covered by patents so anyone can make one and not pay royalities.

A close second has to be a polymer, striker-fired pistol that is made in Austria. Although there are far more manufacturers making the 1911, it is still an expensive gun to make. In sheer volume I would think there are more plastic guns out there then there are 1911's.

...TMan; It's okay to say Glock, if that was the pistol that you was referring to. I have nothing against Glocks...but...Some of the people that owns Glocks has this silly notion that Glocks out shines any other pistol that has ever been produced. It goes against the grain with me.....It has nothing to do with the pistol.

["DoubleAction"]

....I came very close to purchasing a Walther P99 one day at the Range, until the counter told me about the New Series 70 Blued Steel Government Models that just arrived ;D

...Nonetheless; I had my pick of the new litter ;D

....Yeah; Colts has always touched a weak spot with me, but, not enough for me to turn my back on other offerings.

["DoubleAction"]

.....There is a good reason behind for my fondest of the Colt 1911 pistols. Before I came on the Internet, I had to learn about the 1911 by books. I had no one to turn to with my questions about this pistol, and the gunsmith wouldn't even hint to provide me with answer to my questions. Until, one day, He slipped up and told me to become educated about the pistol.
..I can remember when I couldn't tell you the difference between a Series 70 and Series 80.
....On my job; We had a guy that was called the resident in house handgun expert & half ass gunsmith. One day, while shooting one of my 1911's, my plunger tube became loose. I went to this so called expert and brought my problem to him; Take a pot shot what he said ;D...He told me to send my pistol to the Colt Service Center. ;D

....I know very well, what it was like to have nobody to ask for help on the pistol, or any other handgun. I was on my own for many years on this pistol.

....For the next year, I spent most of my time learning about the 1911 in books and video tapes. What I had been paying others to do, I was soon doing it myself. I had to order parts from a catalogs, but first, I had to find out who made parts. I found out about Brownell's by looking in the back pages of a gun periodical. In all, I studied every part on the 1911, and every functional operation of each part.

....To make a long story much shorter, I learned right away to respect the Genius in the Man that design the 1911. Has simple as it is, this is the Genius behind the design of the 1911.

...I had a snag with the light triggers, at first. Thus, I had to learn how to properly operate the pistol. The 1911 is not a pistol that just anyone can pick up, it take some know how. This is the reasoning behind all of the interest with the 1911. Brownell's has one catalog solely devoted to the parts of the 1911.

....Things was different with me, before the Internet. Since being on the Internet, I have tried my best to share anything that I have learned about this pistol, and share this information with others, just like everyone else that went through the same learning experience has I did.. In my own opinion, This is the difference between the mechanics of The Glock and The 1911.

["DoubleAction"]

....One of the hardest decisions that I ever had to make on the 1911, was fitting a Ed Brown High Rise Beavertail Grip Safety on a Brand New Blued Colt Series 70, with nothing but a pin guide, a Dremel, and a file.

....Look at the difference between the grip safeties on the Wilson verses that on the Ed Brown High Rise :

....The Ed Brown :

......Re-Bluing is another story

[TMan]

DA, I'm not a big Glock fan at all. I have two: the 17L and the 34, both of which have had their internals changed to after-market parts. Even the the 17L has a longer sight picture, I still don't shoot it well.

I'm still thinking that in order to complete my collection of 1911's that I need one that they call the Infinity. It is made just south of me in Grand Prairie, TX.

["DoubleAction"]

.....While we are talking about the SVI modular frames; I have seen many professional shooters that had Colt Gold Cup Slides fitted to these wide body modular frames. I read that The narrow hood on the Colts, contributed to a faster lock up time .

"Infinity"

...TMan; I hope that you are talking about the modular wide body frame.

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Mar 9, 2012 7:05:23 GMT -5 TMan said:

DA, I'm not a big Glock fan at all. I have two: the 17L and the 34, both of which have had their internals changed to after-market parts. Even the the 17L has a longer sight picture, I still don't shoot it well.

I'm still thinking that in order to complete my collection of 1911's that I need one that they call the Infinity. It is made just south of me in Grand Prairie, TX.

...TMan; Tell me something about yourself that I don't already know ;D

....I admit that I'm fond of certain firearms, but most of them can altered to fit with my own requirements in a personal choice piece. The "one size fits all" don't quite fit in with me, unless I desire it to be so. If I was to be offered a sweet deal of a 17L, I would not hesitate to pounce on it; A matter of fact, I would probably brag about it and post about a dozen photos of it and this forum probably get tired of reading about my new find. Remember when I first took pictures of my brother's Puma Mare's Laig ?...When I acquired it ?, I didn't shut down for about a year or two years ;D.
......When waiting for almost 45 years get a certain piece, after wanting one this long, some people might not understand thrill of it all.

......Even though I like 1911s. Colts, S&W Revolvers, Sig Sauers, Rugers, Browning Buckmarks, and Italian Clones of Old West Firearms...I do all that I can that contain myself from talking nonsense...This would not be fair to the distinct qualities of the gun or to it's appeal to others. The Glock 17L speaks for itself, it needs no promotion., and I would be proud to have one.

....It has always been about what a person has to say, to promote his thoughts to others.

["DoubleAction"]

Mar 8, 2012 20:51:06 GMT -5 TMan said:

Well, it isn't covered by patents so anyone can make one and not pay royalities.

....TMan brought up a valid point on this topic.

...When I think about the Patent of Firearms, I think about Colt, S&W, and this :

Rollin White's 1855 patent for a cylinder that featured bored-through chambers. Smith & Wesson obtained exclusive rights to use this innovation in return for royalty payments of 25 cents on each revolver produced. One year later, Samuel Colt's U.S. patents for revolving arms expired, opening the marketplace to competing designs based on Colt's revolving cylinder principle.

www.nramuseum.com/the-museum/the-galleries/the-prospering-new-republic/case-31-the-age-of-industry/smith-wesson-no-1-1st-issue-revolver-w-original-gutta-percha-case.aspx

How Long Is A Patent Good For?

www.business-analysis-made-easy.com/How-Long-Is-A-Patent-Good-For.html

["DoubleAction"]

.....The 1911 pistol was designed from Military Combat purposes , The Glock is very popular in the U.S. for police as a low maintenance duty weapon or casual multi-use civilian weapon for self defense applications.

.....The Glock is also a low cost semi-auto self feeding weapon, made to fit into anyone's budget.

[blueglass]

Here in Canada we are allowed to buy the Norinco brand lineup of handguns. I have a 1911 45TTAPC which is a two tone model with sport trigger,sport hammer and lightened spring which actually works really good. I fired it again just this evening at the range. It fires very well actually for the price of $349.95 plus tax delivered thru the mail to my door no less. WE jokeingly call them our Chinese Kimbers as they work just as good for about $1000. less money. Yes we have the good Colts and Kimbers as well here but surprsing enough these shoot as accurate as they do. The fit and finish is not as fancy but they do perform quite well.

["DoubleAction"]

blueglass; Dlask Arms is located in Canada. I have used their custom triggers on several of my Colts. Dlask Arms once made a left handed version of the 1911.

www.dlaskarms.com/

Dlask 1911 ULTRA LIGHT TRIGGERS titanium/magnesium
[1911 - 66]

Titanium stirrup magnesium shoe and two-way adjustability provide the best combination of strength lower weight and crisp feeling response for an ultra-light match quality trigger pull without flex take-up or overtravel. Lightening holes not available on Short models. SPECS: Magnesium shoe titanium stirrup silver finish. Available in Short - 2.124" (5.4cm) Med. - 2.187" (5.6cm) Long - 2.335" (5.9cm) Shoe: 1911 and Para. - .245" (6.2cm) wide Gold Cup; 352" (8.9mm) wide. .2 oz. (6g) weight.

[blueglass]

Yes they do produce some nice stuff but my Norinco comes all tricked out to start with. It has the sport trigger,hammer and spring which are all standard in my model. I ordered it from Marstar Guns which is located in Ontario just East of our Capital Ottawa. They are on the net and have a very interesting website for even older military stuff. They actually have the 2 Thompsons used at the St Valentines Day Massacre years ago now in stock as well. Thats only a small part of their warehouse full of goods.

["DoubleAction"]

www.marstar.ca/index2.shtm