Part II : Depressing trigger when releasing slide?

[TMan]

So we visited this topic before - am I getting senile along with the D.T.'s? With over 1,000 members at the club, I do see somethings over and over. What gets me is when I don't recognize faces. OK, so back to the topic and hopefully in a couple of years when I've fogotten all about it and we revisit it again...

However, the circumstances were a bit different this time, and it wasn't a gun that I'd worked on. Bare with me: I'm still not satisfied in my understanding.

The Series 80 is perhaps the best safest feature to prevent Hammer Follow, because you no longer have to hold the trigger

I can see where the firing pin safety would prevent the gun from firing, I don't understand how it prevents Hammer Follow. Is it just because of the additional mass added by the parts?

["DoubleAction"]

I can see where the firing pin safety would prevent the gun from firing, I don't understand how it prevents Hammer Follow. Is it just because of the additional mass added by the parts?

TMan; I actually depress my trigger, every time I charge a fresh magazine, whether it be a Series 70 or a Series 80, out of habit and safety. It won't prevent Hammer Follow, just the results of having the firing pin striking a live primer cap.

I later gave the same thing some thought, and it's started to bother me about what I stated.

I appreciate the fact that you reading my posts and paying attention to all the details. That makes me a happy camper today.

[TMan]

DA, thanks for putting up with me. I do drive my wife crazy at times for questioning everything. My problem is that if I don't fully understand something, I can't let go of it. I try to think about something else, but what I don't understand keeps popping back up in my mind.

["DoubleAction"]

TMan; You have helped me more than you can realize, by me asking these questions. Although I am trying to overcome the after effects of my stroke, I still suffer from Aphasias and partial paralysis on my right side. Your questions are very therapeutic for me. Thank Goodness for "Spell Checker" and the Roller Ball Mouse.

[TMan]

DA, from appearances on the forum, you seem to have recovered very well, to the point that I'd even forgotten that you had the stroke.

My mother-in-law hasn't faired so well. She has what the doctor's have termed as mini-strokes that have wiped out nearly all of her memory. She basically knows nothing, and requires around the clock nursing care. Physically she is still okay, but they have to constantly keep an eye on her. A shame for someone that used to be quite bright.

I'm currently switching the network over to "N" routers, installing Blue-Ray, etc. and then I'll get back to guns. Hopefully after the 18th and my meeting with the doctor, I'll get the green-light for shooting handguns again. Believe me, with 5 internet cameras, 3 laptops and 4 computers, making network changes is not for the faint of heart. At least it is in English. When I bought the router in Shanghai, all the menus were in Chinese, that took some head scratching and two days of struggling to get it to work. There were on-line translations that I used, but they didn't translate into IT terms.

Hmmm, just noticed a Movado box under the tree - guess I'm getting what she wants me to have for Christmas again. ;D At least she knows that I really do have this thing for watches (not to mention guns, cars, and tools). Modified to add: "and Teddy Bears".

["DoubleAction"]

TMan; I work on one word at a time, one sentence at the time, until I form a compete thought of communication . The words that I choose to used takes the most thought.

About 6 months ago, I had surgery to remove a blocked artery, and since my surgery I had two seizures. I have everything under control, but I take about a half of a shot glass full of pills twice a day.

[TMan]

DA, wow, never knew it was that bad. One of my best friends had a fall last summer. He had rented a fishing boat and as he was getting into the boat, he didn't realize the seat was wet. He slipped and hit his head. This caused blood to form inside the head causing pressure on the brain. After surgery to remove the blood, he underwent a lot of therapy, but is constantly having mini-seizures. Although he appears to be okay - struggles for a word now and then, but show do I, tests show that he still has serious problems. He can't drive a car or shoot a gun.

Get well, then we will work on grammar. ;D ;D ;D

My writings at work used to go though severe editing before going out to the customers. Within the US, there were over 6,000 customers that received my prose, and I have no idea how many overseas, but more than the US. After awhile it got to be a little game with me and the editors, and I put in stuff that I knew they would tear out. However, I did get one by them for 3 releases i.e. nearly two years. Then it really hit the fan. When referring to the Field Engineering Support Center, I wrote "Support Center" with the quotes. In other words, I was making subtle fun of the lack of support from the Support Center.

Well did it ever hit the fan. It went to the VP of Field Engineering to our Group President, and our group owned the Field Engineering Division. It then came down the chain of command to my manager, and he was not amused, to put it mildly. If anyone else had done it, they probably would have got fired, but I was the senior technical person over a group of around 400 people, and there wasn't anyone close to my skills. Not that I was that smart, but because I had an engineering background prior to going into programming.

When it comes to grammar, I still would rate myself a "C-". I know better than to end a sentence with a preposition, but still do it on occasion.

We have a new pastor at church, and he is a southern boy that went to a southern college. From the pulpit he sometimes starts a sentence with "Me and Amy", and it drives me up the wall.

Although I was a math major in college, I have a tremendous respect for English majors. The English language is so complex with so many rules, and then there are the elements of style.

My wife's secretary in China, who I learned to love and respect, had a master's degree in English. When you consider how hard English is for the Chinese, it was quite a feat. She used to correct my wife's English, but my wife got her Bachelor's in Electric Engineering and Master's in Computer Science.

There are little things in the English language that do amuse me. For example: Question: How are you feeling? Answer: "I'm feeling well". Is that correct or would you say: "I'm feeling good"?

[MLB]

well/good, affect/effect, me/I, (and of course accurate/precise) are all fine points of the language that have a correct and incorrect usage, but can also earn you the title of "Grammar Nazi" on the internet.

Fortunately, my middle daughter has taken a liking to the intricacies of the English language and often queries me with a new word or term she likes. Recently, she found “ubiquitous”, and last night’s discussion was the proper use of “presume” and its connotations. Not bad for a fifth grader.

Recently I told them about a useful word I learned via the "word of the day" email, “periphrastic”. Often more accurate than the word I would have used, “obfuscation”, and particularly appropriate for a character (Mr. Micawber) in the Dickens novel David Copperfield that I just finished.

["DoubleAction"]

My Aphasias took a lot out of me, but mostly the words used to connect to my thoughts on a topic. Because of the Internet, I have been successful in overcoming this obstacle, but it took time.

[MLB]

My interest in these obscure words is mostly a hobby. There's no practical value in blabbering on with language that doesn't convey meaning to the people you are talking to. Well, aside from a vain attempt at self-importance.

I think it was 5OT that had a sig line that summed it up rather well. Something along the lines that a large vocabulary was like clean underwear - good to have, but not to show off.

["DoubleAction"]

ML; The word "Aphasias" is one word that I learned about the hard way. Until I had my stroke, I never a reason to use it.

We have gotten off the beaten path on this thread, lets go back to page one :

Depressing trigger when releasing slide - Page 1

["DoubleAction"]

....In short order; Never confuse the lockwork of The 1911 to that of The Sig Sauers. When depressing the trigger on a Sig Sauer, all internal safeties will be disengaged. I know this from first hand experience. Depressing the trigger on the SIGS , while chambering the first round, will result in the pistol Firing.

[TMan]

DA, I don't understand this, nor am I about to test it. Unless you are a lot quicker than I am, when the second round is fired from the Sig, my finger still has the trigger depressed. How is that any different than having the trigger depressed when chambering the first round?

Did the Sig that you had this happen to have any trigger modifications.

["DoubleAction"]

...TMan; Once the round has been fired on the SIG P-Series pistol, the trigger has a return to reset the lockwork. Once you release the trigger, after firing a round, the trigger will reset itself.

....The hammer will remain cock and if you want to lower the hammer, to engage the safety lockwork, you will have to use the decocker to engage the safeties.

....Let it be reminder; The SIG P-Series Pistols features a double action lockwork, the 1911 pistols is Single Action. The Sig P-Series as a trigger bar that activates the incorporating the passive firing safety, the decocker that safely lowers the hammer, and a double action trigger that disengages the safeties.

.....Two Different Pistols and Two Different designs. I have learned a lot at the range, one of my lessons was the differences in the 1911 verses that of the SIGs. If you depress the trigger on a SIG, while chambering the first round, the safeties in the lockwork is defeated and the pistol will discharge upon racking the slide.

["DoubleAction"]

Oct 30, 2011 6:03:28 GMT -5 TMan said:

Did the Sig that you had this happen to have any trigger modifications.

....No; What happen, was this : I always carry a 1911 and a SIG to the range with me. I was shooting my 1911 and got into a habit mode, after firing about 400 rounds through the 1911....When I went to The SIG, something distracted me and I chambered the first round, with trigger depressed to the rear, the pistol fired upon going into battery. This happened on a factory trigger. It was my fault, but, it was also a lesson learn which I'm passing on to you and others.