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Post by TMan on Jun 2, 2005 13:15:38 GMT -5
Ahhh-ha, very good point DA. I hadn't thought of that: I shoot in SA mode. I should shoot in DA mode and then see how the Python compares to the other revolvers. That is probably where it shines.
Of course since my Python and 686 are previously owned guns, I don't know if they have had trigger work done on them either directly or indirectly. By indirectly, I mean that after a few thousand rounds triggers tend to get lighter. On that note, it probably isn't fair to do a Handgun Critique on a previously owned firearm because you wouldn't know its history.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Jun 2, 2005 13:34:14 GMT -5
TMan; I think a handgun Critique on a previosly owned firearm would be alright for several reasons. One reason is it shows the possibilities, good or bad, on the purchase of a previously owned firearm. Another reason would be the fact that many pre-owns are no longer manufactured through the factory, forcing the hand of obtaining those firearms on the pre-owned market. One more is purchase price for certain pre-owned pieces.
If someone tells me the virtues of a certain vintage gun, I will know what to look for if I'm in pursuit of such a piece in the future.
If the gun has an unknown history of having had a trigger job, it can throw the new owner into the belief that such production guns exist in that model. I do know that all Pythons are not created equal, which is probably the case with most handguns. Still; We continue to listen and read of sworn testimony, good or bad, from those who take the risk of ownership.
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Post by denfoote on Jun 5, 2005 3:03:35 GMT -5
Here is what I carry. Taurus M605 .357mag.  It's a little heavy for pocket carry, though.But, I'm not a pocket carry kind of guy. So here is what I carry it in.  All is not lost, however!! My other Taurus makes a dandy pocket carry!! M85SSUL. It's a .38spl +P aluminum frame snub. It only weighs one ounce greater than a pound!!  I usually don't even bother with a holster because the only time I ever pocket carry is when I hike to the corner stop and rob!!! BTW, these are what are called J-frames. A small 5 shot revolver built to be concealed easily. |
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Post by MLB on Jun 6, 2005 9:03:38 GMT -5
Are you left handed Denfoote?
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Jun 6, 2005 22:49:56 GMT -5
Good Eye, ML. ;D
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Post by ron on Jun 7, 2005 17:36:10 GMT -5
I have an S&W 642, 38 spl +p rated, hammerless Centennial airlight.
It fits in a pocket and shoots reasonably. With its 1 3/4 barrel, it is comfortable to shoot 38 spl. After about 10 38 spl +p, I've had enough. It's not bad with the +p, and I can fire off a cylinder full without discomfort, but it's not fun.
Keep in mind that the shorter the barrel, the lower the velocity, so the fairly slow 38 spl is even slower out of a snubbie.
Ron
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Post by klmhq on Jun 8, 2005 8:06:22 GMT -5
I have an S&W 642, 38 spl +p rated, hammerless Centennial airlight. It fits in a pocket and shoots reasonably. With its 1 3/4 barrel, it is comfortable to shoot 38 spl. After about 10 38 spl +p, I've had enough. It's not bad with the +p, and I can fire off a cylinder full without discomfort, but it's not fun. Keep in mind that the shorter the barrel, the lower the velocity, so the fairly slow 38 spl is even slower out of a snubbie. Ron I have seen an ad for (I think) Winchester 38 spl rounds designed for snubbies. It is supposed to use some fast burning powder to increase the velocity of the bullet out of short barrels. I have yet to find any at local stores though. BTW: I have a Tarus Model 85 Stainless, which I like a lot. I wouldn't shoot it at more than 10 or 15 yards, but it's accurate across its range. |
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Post by Callahan on Jun 8, 2005 11:01:25 GMT -5
I have an S&W 642, 38 spl +p rated, hammerless Centennial airlight. It fits in a pocket and shoots reasonably. With its 1 3/4 barrel, it is comfortable to shoot 38 spl. After about 10 38 spl +p, I've had enough. It's not bad with the +p, and I can fire off a cylinder full without discomfort, but it's not fun. Keep in mind that the shorter the barrel, the lower the velocity, so the fairly slow 38 spl is even slower out of a snubbie. Ron I have seen an ad for (I think) Winchester 38 spl rounds designed for snubbies. It is supposed to use some fast burning powder to increase the velocity of the bullet out of short barrels. I have yet to find any at local stores though. BTW: I have a Tarus Model 85 Stainless, which I like a lot. I wouldn't shoot it at more than 10 or 15 yards, but it's accurate across its range. American Rifleman say Speer's .38 Spl. +P 135 gr. Gold Dots are "the chow of choice for snubbys whose bark used to be worse than their bite. " Designed to expand well at lower velocity they gave 11" penetration in 10 pct. ballistic gelatin with excellent expansion and weight retention. American Rifleman's Ammunition of the Year. |
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Post by TMan on Jun 18, 2005 20:50:58 GMT -5
Just when you thought this thread was dead...
I went to an archery class today at Sportsman's Warehouse. Afterwards, exhibiting tremendous self-control, I went back to the gun counter to take another look at the Schofield. They had replaced the one that didn't work and I compared two of them for awhile. Then reluctantly I handed them back to him.
"Want to see something neat"? "Sure", I replied. He handed me a S&W 340. In case you aren't familiar with the model it is a "J" frame with 1 7/8" barrel, internal hammer, 12 oz, 5 round, .357 magnum. Wow, I was really impressed. He then told me that what you do is shoot .38 Specials in it to check it out, and then load .357's for carry. Made sense to me. I probably would have drooled over it had I not been so dehydrated from looking at the Schofield. The other thing that made it so appealing was with keys, cell phone, and derringer in my pocket along with a couple of dollars worth of change, my belt was cutting into me because I had to have it tight enough to ensure I wasn't exposing any butt crack.
I'm thinking about it, but what I really want is the Navy Arms Schofield vs. the Uberti that I looked at.
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Post by TBT on Jun 22, 2005 15:25:01 GMT -5
What was the price tag on hte 340?
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Post by TMan on Jun 22, 2005 16:13:44 GMT -5
Good grief TBT, I can't even remember how much the stuff I bought cost let alone what I looked at. ;D
I think it was $650, which I thought was a little steep. Sportingarms.com has it for $594. However, if I was going to buy one, I think I'd opt for the 340PD, which Sporting Arms has for $609.
I might buy one some day, but I don't generally buy things that I'm not going to shoot. Since I don't enjoy the recoil on my 23oz Taurus (.38 Spc), I know even in shooting .38 Spc in a 12oz isn't likely to be better.
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Post by TBT on Jun 23, 2005 10:34:02 GMT -5
True.
That would not be a fun gun to shoot. I think buying it would only be practical if one were planning on carrying it.
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Post by vito on Jul 4, 2005 10:16:14 GMT -5
I still have the factory rubber grips on my 640. What is a good source for wooden grips with finger grooves for this gun? As always, I appreciate the great advice I get from this forum. I've been away for awhile, but now I'm back.
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Post by TMan on Jul 4, 2005 10:56:31 GMT -5
Vito, welcome back. I looked at MidwayUSA, because I've done a lot of business with them and they do have sales, and I've never had any problems. You can order Hogue grips from them, but they talk about 90+ days. They did have in stock: www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=334693Are you sure you want to do this? The gun comes with Uncle Mike's grips on it. I can't tell from the S&W website if the grips cover the back strap or not. I would think that unless your new grips would add significant weight, which I doubt, you would notice the recoil more with the wood grips. Running the numbers with the ammo that I normally shoot, and your gun, give me a number of 14.6 ft-lbs of recoil energy, which is on the edge of the discomfort level according to the experts. If you just want it for carry, it is a different thing, and go for the looks, but for range use...  |
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Post by vito on Jul 4, 2005 18:54:04 GMT -5
Good point about wood grips and increased recoil. I may need to think it about some more. I just really like how wood grips look, I have them stock on my S&W Model 19 that I bought in 1986 and I still enjoy looking at and holding this excellent 4 inch revolver.
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Jul 6, 2005 13:26:29 GMT -5
I still have the factory rubber grips on my 640. What is a good source for wooden grips with finger grooves for this gun? As always, I appreciate the great advice I get from this forum. I've been away for awhile, but now I'm back. Vito; Craig Spiegel makes the Coco Bolo Wood boot grips for the 640, Eagle also makes some. |
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Jul 6, 2005 13:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by ron on Jul 20, 2005 17:21:40 GMT -5
I just returned from shooting 100 rounds of Sellier & Bellot 380 through my new pocket rocket - a Kel-Tec P3 AT.
Either the Kel-Tec is or I am useless beyond 5 yards - probably both. There really are no sights, just a little bump on the front of the slide. With my 58 year old eyes, I couldn't see the bump. So, it is more of a point and shoot rather than aim. Then, again, the gun is made for close-up action. The trigger pull is llllooooonnnngggg. I'll have to practice some more to get consistant. I couldn't hit diddly at 7 yards. I was able to put all 6 shots through the head of a silouette at 5 yards. Just to feel better, I shot 50 rounds with my Springfield XD 40 and that confirmed that I wasn't the sole problem.
The was 1 failure to eject, 1 failure to feed, and 3 misfires out of 100 rounds. I can accept the FTE and FTF, but I am a little concerned about the misfires. I reloaded the misfires and 2 out of 3 fired the second time. It is hard to say whether the misfires are gun or ammo related. I've never used Sellier & Bellot before, so I can't comment on the quality of the ammo. I believe it is a French firm that makes its ammo in the Czech Republic.
Ron
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Post by ron on Jul 20, 2005 17:22:53 GMT -5
If I can't get better with the Kel-Tec, I revert back to my S&W 642, a hammerless, lightweight 38 spl.
Ron
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Post by TMan on Jul 20, 2005 19:43:32 GMT -5
.... I believe it is a French firm that makes its ammo in the Czech Republic. Oh crap, tell me it isn't so - a FRENCH firm!!! Ahhhhhhh - I'm going to kill myself. I use the S&B ammo all the time. I've never had a problem with it, and it is almost like a +P load i.e. a bit hotter than normal. About the sights: hey Ron, this is not a target pistol. Larry Seecamp didn't even bother to put sights on my little .32 ACP. I'm a little older than you and I have a lot of problems with sights. Some guns I can't even focus on the front sight. These defensive weapons are meant for close quarters. I loaded my Bond Arms Cowboy Defender, which has "sights" with .45 Long Colt. I proceeded to shoot it at 7 yards. I couldn't hit anything. Well, not exactly: I hit the target holder. Wood went everywhere and my target holder and target hit the ground. I told the range officer and went home with my tail between my legs. Don't expect too much from the Kel-Tec, and you won't be disappointed. I have a loaded Kel-Tec in .32 ACP in a drawer in my garage. We have had people come into the garage after you drive in, and then they rob you. I trust it. Oh, it has Winchester Silver-Tips just like in my Seecamp. |
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