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Post by ron on Jul 20, 2005 20:41:12 GMT -5
Fortunately, I could be wrong about them being a French company. ;D But the name "Sellier and Bellot" would be pronounced "Selieh and Below" and looks very French. Certainly doesn't look Czech.
I just have to get used to the KelTec. It is so beautifully light, yet doesn't have an unpleasant recoil. Next time I'm shooting, I'll try Remington, Independence or Winchester White Box. I also need to Czech it out with a defense load.
There was a fellow in the rifle lane at the indoor range that was shooting 45-70. NOw I know why they call these pipsqueaks mouse guns. He went 'BANG.' Then the KelTec went 'boink'.
Ron
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Post by 5ontarget on Jul 21, 2005 19:49:15 GMT -5
Ron,
Don't be discouraged with the Kel-tec. It is a gun that definitely takes practice. The misfires? I've never had one with mine, but I shoot mainly winclean, wwb, and federal through it. FTE/FTF most often is a grip or limpwrist problem, although there also some issues with extractors. The long DA trigger takes some getting used to...Especially if you primarily shoot SA guns.
As for accuracy, it is of course not a tack driver. I shot mine recently, and had a 30 shot group down to about the size of a credit card at 7yds. That's good enough for me with that gun...(why 30 shots, no good reason, except I had one target left, and 30rds left.)
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Post by ron on Jul 21, 2005 20:32:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback, 5ontarget.
I do have to get used to that long trigger pull. It definitely was throwing me off.
I still am concerned about the misfires. I look forward to trying some other ammo.
Ron
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Post by BIGDOG on Jul 24, 2005 18:46:31 GMT -5
Hello fellas,
There has been some interesting replys on this thread so I decided to add mine. I purchased a NAA Guardian 380 2 weeks ago. I have now shot it a total of 150 times and it is a very accurate little pocket gun IMO. I did have 2 missfeeds in this 150 shots but everything I have read says these guns take a couple hundred shots to break in. Dont be afraid to try one of these little fellas. I will say you must hold on tight. I will try and post a pic. I am going to have ports machined in and the channel sight system added due to my older eyes trying to pick up the front pin sight.
Removed super-large image. See fixed picture below.TMan
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Post by TA on Jul 24, 2005 19:19:43 GMT -5
Holy cow BigDog! That's a big gun! ;D
You need to get that down below a bazillion pixels.
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Post by TMan on Jul 24, 2005 20:06:01 GMT -5
Hey, wait a minute. How come it says "KAHR ARMS" on the frame. Did Kahr acquire NAA too? Where are the anti-trust people?
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Post by BIGDOG on Jul 24, 2005 20:36:48 GMT -5
Yea I know I gotta shrink it some. Kahr manufactures the frames for these little guns. Probably why the little gun is so pricey!
TA whats up?
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Post by BIGDOG on Jul 24, 2005 20:40:53 GMT -5
I will try the pic again. This better?  |
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Post by TMan on Jul 25, 2005 5:19:12 GMT -5
Much better. I deleted your original picture to straighten out the formatting for the other posts. Amazing the effect of one large picture to a thread.
I like the grips on your NAA much better than the plastic ones on my Seecamp.
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Post by MLB on Jul 25, 2005 18:45:51 GMT -5
That thing looks pretty good with those grips ;D
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Post by TMan on Aug 1, 2005 21:31:02 GMT -5
Okay, it has been bothering me so I did some research on Sellier & Bellot. The following is from their web site: A little more information : ISO 9001  So there does not appear to be a French connection. I don't know why I dislike the French so much. It started around the time that they wouldn't let our F-111 fly over their air space when Regan was president. |
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Post by ron on Aug 1, 2005 21:39:03 GMT -5
You are correct. The more I looked into it, the more it was indicated that they were Czech. The names are soooo French. ;D
Ron
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Post by TBT on Aug 14, 2005 17:14:04 GMT -5
I'm back to thinking about this again ... I've pretty much narrowed it down to either the SW 640, the SW 60, or the Ruger SP101 in either hammerless or hammer.
I'm not sure really .. I guess for pocket carry the hammerless is a big advantage, but part of me just doesn't want to give up the option of a sweet single action pull when I want it.
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Post by TBT on Aug 14, 2005 17:21:21 GMT -5
What about the SW 649 shrouded hammer? How does that work? What are the advantages and disadvantages to the shrouded versus concealed hammer configurations?
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Aug 14, 2005 17:25:10 GMT -5
TBT; Maybe a shrouded hammer might be better for you than an internal hammer. I've heard the arguement in support for the shrouded hammer for the same reasons, in having the option of manually cocking the hammer.
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Post by TBT on Aug 15, 2005 16:21:26 GMT -5
Yeah I'm thinking thats the best of both worlds. I really just wished that I liked the looks of that thing more though. I mean, it really turns me off (the 649 Bodygaurd), really does. I know looks aren't the main thing .. but you would like to buy something that is as pleasing as possible you know?
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Aug 15, 2005 16:39:05 GMT -5
TBT; I have the same feelings about the looks of these shrouded hammers, but I've also learned that many of those who carry these guns are very serious about carrying. I've seen many snub nose revolvers fitted with the aftermarket hammer shrouds.
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Post by TMan on Aug 15, 2005 21:19:21 GMT -5
TBT; Maybe a shrouded hammer might be better for you than an internal hammer. I've heard the arguement in support for the shrouded hammer for the same reasons, in having the option of manually cocking the hammer. Okay guys, you have completely lost me here. I went to the S&W web-site and looked at the 649. It didn't reveal anything. If I was able to look down at it from the top, would I be able to see the hammer? If so, would I be able to cock it? I can't run down to the local gun store here to see one. There isn't one in the entire country. |
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Post by "DoubleAction" on Aug 15, 2005 21:55:16 GMT -5
Okay, it has been bothering me so I did some research on Sellier & Bellot. The following is from their web site: A little more information : ISO 9001 So there does not appear to be a French connection. I don't know why I dislike the French so much. It started around the time that they wouldn't let our F-111 fly over their air space when Regan was president. The factory box, which packages the Sellier & Bellot cartridges, will tell the orgin of manufacture, which is Czechoslovakia. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The S&W model 649 Bodyguard has been discontinued in 38 special but it remains available for the .357 magnum in the Model 649-3. The 357 magnum chambering for the 649 started production in 1996. TMan; You should be able to find more information on the 649 in the editions of the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson . |
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Post by TBT on Aug 16, 2005 12:52:28 GMT -5
TBT; Maybe a shrouded hammer might be better for you than an internal hammer. I've heard the arguement in support for the shrouded hammer for the same reasons, in having the option of manually cocking the hammer. Okay guys, you have completely lost me here. I went to the S&W web-site and looked at the 649. It didn't reveal anything. If I was able to look down at it from the top, would I be able to see the hammer? If so, would I be able to cock it? I can't run down to the local gun store here to see one. There isn't one in the entire country. From my understanding, yes, you would be able to see the hammer. The weapon can be cocked manually but is protected via shroud for carry. It really seems like the best of both worlds .. just sooooo dang ugly though. ;D |
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