|
|
Post by BNoll on Apr 11, 2004 21:18:52 GMT -5
I would like to solicit some advice from you fellas about different 9mm models. I may be in the market in the near future for a new pistol, and am thinking I might like to pick up a 9mm. I've got a couple of .45's that I like a lot, but am considering a new 9mm simply because the ammo is less expensive and I'd like to be able to put more through it trying to improve my overall handgunning skills.
I'd like to hear suggestions from any of you guys about decent 9's that you've liked. If its not too much, could you please split your suggestions into two categories...those that generally retail for less than $500, and those that retail for more than $500. To add, as a personal preference, I don't like pistols that are overly light...I like something that's got a dense, but not clunky, feel to it. For example, I've handled (not shot) the full size Baby Eagle and Browning Hi-Power and really liked the feel of both of those. I had a Glock 22 (.40 S&W) that I traded in because it felt a little light to me, but this might have something to do with the fact it kicked it a bit more than a 9mm. Regardless, I'd appreciate any and all input about quality 9mm's you folks have had a good experience with.
Thanks.
|
|
|
|
Post by Data on Apr 11, 2004 21:29:10 GMT -5
Take a long hard look at the Sig P239 (right around $500) and the Sig P229 (around $650).
Even a Sig Pro 2009 ($450-550) would not be an "awful gun".
I presonally cant recommend a better "heavy weight" 9mm in a High Quality price than those two models. You didnt mention if you wanted full sized, compact, or personal carry/subcompact sizes.
However if you want something "super heavy" you could always look at a Beretta 92 or Taurus PT92 or a S&W 59xx series.
The 9mm guns have really "shrunk" as the .40s have moved in and taken over both the compact and subcompact sizes.
PS. If your a .45 fan, you can obtain 9mm guns in a 1911 design now days. ;D The para-ordinance version holds about 19 rounds I think.
|
|
|
|
Post by Mikolev on Apr 11, 2004 21:56:52 GMT -5
Ruger P95 is a great 9mm. You can get one for about $349 new, and it's about as reliable as guns get. Also, I've heard Ruger customer service was awesome, though I've certainly never had to use it.
|
|
|
|
Post by BNoll on Apr 11, 2004 21:58:00 GMT -5
"You didnt mention if you wanted full sized, compact, or personal carry/subcompact sizes."
I'm looking for a full sized. Do you or anyone else have any direct knowledge of the full size Baby Eagle 9's? I hadn't thought of the Beretta you mentioned. I'll have to take a look.
|
|
|
|
Post by BNoll on Apr 11, 2004 22:27:01 GMT -5
I'll expand a bit upon why I asked for the price breakdowns. This pistol will probably end up being one that makes the ride to work with me every day. I work in downtown Denver, so like to have something in my truck with me, but I can't carry it into my office. So, I'd like something that is cheap enough that if it gets stolen out of my truck, I'm not going to be out $700+. Balance that with the idea that I'm still looking for something that is of relatively decent quality...and this is what I'm looking for.
|
|
|
|
Post by Mountaineer on Apr 11, 2004 22:30:59 GMT -5
BNoll, I've had a lot of 9mm Pistols and under $500 I really like the CZ 75B. I bought one new for $365 tax incl. very good quality. I have 2 Ruger 9mm's, the P85 and the P95, very good guns as well. Over $500 gives you a lot of good choices. Sig P226, Sig P228, Browning Hi Power, S&W 5906 are all quality guns.
|
|
|
|
Post by Callahan on Apr 12, 2004 1:37:57 GMT -5
Check out the review of the Star BM under Handgun Critiques section...
|
|
|
|
Post by Data on Apr 12, 2004 11:12:34 GMT -5
I'll expand a bit upon why I asked for the price breakdowns. This pistol will probably end up being one that makes the ride to work with me every day. I work in downtown Denver, so like to have something in my truck with me, but I can't carry it into my office. So, I'd like something that is cheap enough that if it gets stolen out of my truck, I'm not going to be out $700+. Balance that with the idea that I'm still looking for something that is of relatively decent quality...and this is what I'm looking for. Why would you need a smaller caliber for a truck gun? I usually reserve the "smaller caliber" weapons for compact or subcompact sizes for carry. That is unless your going for Ultra High capacity....do check out the Beretta and Rugers. A truck gun? Id recommened a Stainless Steel Ruger GP100, or if its also going to be a gun that you "grab and stick in a pocket" every once in a while maybe a Ruger sp 101. While we are on the subject of revolvers you could go up from Ruger and get a Smith and Wesson or go down and Get a Taurus. I dont like anything "cheaper" than the Taurus revolvers such as Rossi etc though. If your still adamant about a cheaper semi-auto, then Ill agree with anything in the Ruger line. Dont know much about Star but folks seem to like the CZ as well. |
|
|
|
Post by "DoubleAction" on Apr 12, 2004 16:49:30 GMT -5
Bnoll: Glad to hear from you again; I noticed on your first message that you are intending on benefiting from the less costly approach to ammunition, in order to improve your handgunning skills. Have you given thought to acquiring a pistol chambered in the 9mm, which is similar to your larger bore pistols? Also; I would not eliminate the savings from aquiring a pre-owned pistol. It really sounds like your looking toward a Browning HP or CZ.
|
|
|
|
Post by Mikolev on Apr 12, 2004 18:03:06 GMT -5
A new one that has come out recently is the CZ P-01. It's compact and comes in 9mm. It's next on my to buy list, b/c I think CZ makes some really good quality guns for a very reasonable price. Plus, it looks really cool. I'm not sure it would fit the bill as a "truck gun" though.
|
|
|
|
Post by XavierBreath on Apr 12, 2004 21:21:16 GMT -5
I'll give you a quick breakdown of 9mms that either have a reputation for being good ones, or ones I have had good luck with.
Under $200, but reliable, good shooters
Star BM nice weight
Star B nice weight
$400 Range
IMI Baby Eagle Very reliable and accurate, nice weight
Around $500
Beretta 92FS Very reliable, nice weight
Glock not my favorite, but hard to leave off this list.
Kahr K9 Nice weight, undisputable quality
Over $600
HK USP Very reliable and accurate
HK P7 The cream of the crop IMHO
High Powers and Sigs should no doubt recieve consideration, I'm just not familiar with them.
|
|
|
|
Post by 5ontarget on Apr 13, 2004 16:26:17 GMT -5
I haven't shot many of the $500+ guns, but I tend to agree with a number of the other posts...Rugers have good weight and balance, and are a good buy for the money. 17-18rd hi caps are easy to find, and you can even put 21-30rd clips in it, but they stick put beyond the grip. I've owned/shot P89, and P95 and both work great, for $350 or so.
|
|
|
|
Post by "DoubleAction" on Apr 13, 2004 16:41:26 GMT -5
Since you already own a Sig 220 in .45acp, I would suggest the Sig 225 in 9mm, or another Sig 220 chambered in 9mm. Both the 225 and 220 features the single stack grip and p- series lock work.
|
|
|
|
Post by 9mm on Apr 13, 2004 17:33:25 GMT -5
I've seen some used P225 Sig 9mms online that look like they need a little love, but they're just $370.
As for your other requirements, about not caring about losing the gun AND wanting to improve your handgunning skills... That's tough. Any gun I was very proficient with I'd hate to lose.
Ruger P89, NIB will set you back $320 or so.
C75's having been getting more expensive, expect $400+ for a new one.
A used police Sig P228/P226 would be a good truck gun. With a new set of springs and consumables and some cleaning it'd be a great gun for around $400.
|
|
|
|
Post by BNoll on Apr 14, 2004 12:30:20 GMT -5
Thanks for all the replies guys. I'm gravitating towards the Baby Eagle or the CZ75B. This guy near me has solid prices on both of them (http://www.ak-47man.com/handguns.html).
Another thing I thought I'd ask, is that when speaking to the guy that owns that shop, he told me that Magnum is not making Baby Eagle's out of anything but the polymer frame any more, so he thought if I grabbed up one of the solid steel framed ones, I might have a tough time finding similar parts down the road. Is this a valid concern in your eyes?
|
|
|
|
Post by TMan on Apr 15, 2004 9:06:54 GMT -5
The internal parts should be the same. I ordered the Baby Eagle, and when it arrived, I was surprised to find out that it was Polymer. I wasn't happy. The grips are molded into the frame, and the gun isn't as heavy. I shot a friends compact Glock .45 once, and it made me really happy that I hadn't bought one. It has a small light slide, and you need to hold the pistol firmly, or it feels like the slide is operating in slow motion.
I have the CZ75B and a BHP. I like the CZ75 much better than I do the BHP. It has a lighter trigger pull, and fits just as well in my hand.
Internally, the CZ75 and Baby Eagle are very much alike. I wouldn't be too surprised if some parts were interchangable. The BHP is very different (Browning was a genius).
Incidentally, if not clear from above: if I were you, I'd go for the CZ75.
|
|
|
|
Post by 5906tswpa on Oct 16, 2004 19:49:22 GMT -5
5906tsw is my vote.
|
|
|
|
Post by Flipper on Oct 19, 2004 22:13:56 GMT -5
My vote is for a Ruger P-95. I have a KP95D and it is the epitome of value and reliability. Put a sleeve (Hogue Rubber) on the grip and they feel great!  |
|
|
|
Post by Misfit on Oct 26, 2004 22:36:48 GMT -5
Here's a testimonial for the CZ-75b. This gun was the first non-.22 handgun I ever bought, and I wouldn't sell or trade it, ever. It has never, ever had a malfunction, and it is, at least for me, a very natural pointer. The first time I took it to the outdoor range near me, I was able to ring all the metal gongs, plates, and targets arrayed downrange - and I'm a very mediocre shooter, if that. I have to work really hard to hit stuff with my 1911.
|
|
|
|
Post by KrustyBurger on Nov 1, 2004 10:55:26 GMT -5
Ditto for the CZ 75B. Never a problem & it shoots slightly better than my Beretta 92 SF, Sig 226, Taurus PT-99 & Kahr K9. At $330 it isn't a H&K P-7, but it's a heckuva value. Its trigger pulls are what DA autos SHOULD be like without the influence of slimy liability lawyers. Its only negative is that factory hicap mags have gotten hard to find & were not cheap. Cheap aftermarket CZ mags are crap. Hopefully the AWB sunset might change that.
|
|
