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Post by Callahan on Mar 29, 2007 14:29:16 GMT -5
Has anyone on the forum had any experience with Kel-Tec's new 9 mm pistol, the PF-9?
They supposedly have been out for months but I can't find any at any of the large dealers in the Houston area that I visit.
Wondered if anyone had bought one or tried one out, how much they paid, etc.
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Post by TMan on Mar 29, 2007 16:47:34 GMT -5
Neither RSR nor Sports South distributors have them in stock. In fact they don't have any Kel-Tec's in stock, and they show the PF-9 as a "Allocated" item i.e. when they get them, they go to their best customers (that is how I got my Taurus 1911).
I checked with SportingArms.com, who I do most of my business with, and they don't show prices for them as of yet.
The other hot item these days, and I'm not kidding, is Hi-Point. They can't keep them in stock.
The Kel-Tec that I want probably won't be out until next year, and that is their bull-pup, and I don't remember what caliber that it is going to be in either. "I don't remember" - I don't remember ever saying that before. ;D
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Post by 5ontarget on Mar 29, 2007 17:39:52 GMT -5
I've been to a few gunshows, and have yet to see one. The local dealer can't keep anything with the Kel-Tec name on it in the store. And the prices keep going up too. The 3AT is $100 more than what I paid a couple years ago. (I know it has undergone a fairly significant retooling since then too.)
As for the Hi-Points. The the ATI stock available, the carbines are in high demand. The handguns seem to be getting a better reputation recently as well. I was talking with a dealer at a show recently, and he estimates he's sold close to 10,000 HiPoints in the past 10 years. I think more people are trying them, rather than just passing around the internet "knowledge" that they are all junk. I've tried the carbine and the handguns. One handgun worked pretty well, the other was horrid. I enjoyed shooting the carbine, although it did feel a lot like a toy, plastic trigger and all. I think the aftermarket stock helps alot with the feel, and to some people, it helps with the looks too.
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Post by TMan on Apr 18, 2007 18:10:58 GMT -5
Kel-tec!!!! Wonderful, I looked like a total idiot today thinking that this thread was about Kahr. At least I got the first character right. Good Grief. The only way to save face was to buy a Kahr.  |
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Post by Callahan on Apr 19, 2007 3:04:06 GMT -5
Kel-tec!!!! Wonderful, I looked like a total idiot today thinking that this thread was about Kahr. At least I got the first character right. Good Grief. The only way to save face was to buy a Kahr. I'm sure the Rev. Moon is very pleased! ;D |
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Post by TMan on Apr 19, 2007 7:33:41 GMT -5
He was when I bought the Thompson too. Actually, I think it is his son that owns the company not him, but I could be wrong.
What I ended up getting was the MK9 Elite 2003 (M9098). It is a striker fired pistol with a long smooth trigger pull. It is much heavier than I wold like for a trigger pull, but it is a lot like my Swiss rifle, you can't tell when it is going to go off there is no staging. It is light years ahead of the Kel-tec's she had in stock and I was looking at.
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Post by Callahan on Apr 25, 2007 14:12:24 GMT -5
He was when I bought the Thompson too. Actually, I think it is his son that owns the company not him, but I could be wrong. What I ended up getting was the MK9 Elite 2003 (M9098). It is a striker fired pistol with a long smooth trigger pull. It is much heavier than I wold like for a trigger pull, but it is a lot like my Swiss rifle, you can't tell when it is going to go off there is no staging. It is light years ahead of the Kel-tec's she had in stock and I was looking at. I know. As Flip Wilson once said, "The devil made me do it!" |
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Post by TMan on May 11, 2007 10:19:25 GMT -5
Gunblast.com just did a review on the PF-9. Here is the link for it: www.gunblast.com/Kel-Tec9mm.htmIt looks pretty good to me. He also mentioned that their new bull-pup rifle, which should go into production next year, is in .308, which came as a surprise to me. I was thinking it was in .223; I'm not sure I want one in .308. Here is the information on it from their web-site: www.kel-tec-cnc.com/images/downloads/RFB_Flyer_SHOT_2007_web.pdfI just checked on www.sportingarms.com and they don't list the PF-9. I sent them an e-mail asking why. It may be that since they are so hard to get, they don't bother to list them. In the e-mail, I told her to get me one when/if they become available. It took her 2 years to get me the Taurus 1911, but it has only taken her 2 months to get me the Ruger Mini-14 Target, which I need to go pick up next week. (I'm in plumbing hades this week replacing the pump for the waterfalls with a larger one. I had 7 waterfalls powered off one 2 HP pump and it wasn't enough flow). Oh, just remembered and looked up the gunblast article on the Ruger in case you are interested: www.gunblast.com/Ruger-Mini14Target.htmGetting back to the thread: I imagine that the PF-9 being lighter than the Wilson ADP, would have some respectable recoil. |
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Post by Callahan on May 15, 2007 0:03:07 GMT -5
Gunblast.com just did a review on the PF-9. Here is the link for it: www.gunblast.com/Kel-Tec9mm.htmIt looks pretty good to me. He also mentioned that their new bull-pup rifle, which should go into production next year, is in .308, which came as a surprise to me. I was thinking it was in .223; I'm not sure I want one in .308. Here is the information on it from their web-site: www.kel-tec-cnc.com/images/downloads/RFB_Flyer_SHOT_2007_web.pdfI just checked on www.sportingarms.com and they don't list the PF-9. I sent them an e-mail asking why. It may be that since they are so hard to get, they don't bother to list them. In the e-mail, I told her to get me one when/if they become available. It took her 2 years to get me the Taurus 1911, but it has only taken her 2 months to get me the Ruger Mini-14 Target, which I need to go pick up next week. (I'm in plumbing hades this week replacing the pump for the waterfalls with a larger one. I had 7 waterfalls powered off one 2 HP pump and it wasn't enough flow). Oh, just remembered and looked up the gunblast article on the Ruger in case you are interested: www.gunblast.com/Ruger-Mini14Target.htmGetting back to the thread: I imagine that the PF-9 being lighter than the Wilson ADP, would have some respectable recoil. Thanks for posting that, TMan. I went to Gunblast and read the review. I was pleased to see there don't seem to be any issues with this Kel-Tec. The P32 had rimlock issues with hollowpoints and the 3AT had to be reissued with a sturdier ejector. This one looks like it will be OK. I can't wait to find one. I'll even take a green one! |
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Post by MLB on May 15, 2007 8:00:07 GMT -5
I noticed that Sporting Arms listed the new Walther PPS in 9mm or .40 S&W for about $520. I didn't expect to see it yet. I understood that it wasn't available until mid summer.
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Post by Callahan on May 15, 2007 12:25:02 GMT -5
Got a link?
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Post by MLB on May 15, 2007 14:00:17 GMT -5
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Post by TMan on May 15, 2007 19:44:55 GMT -5
I noticed that Sporting Arms listed the new Walther PPS in 9mm or .40 S&W for about $520. I didn't expect to see it yet. I understood that it wasn't available until mid summer. The way SportingArms works is they list the guns shortly after the distributors list them i.e. the distributor has already set the price and they will take back-orders. That way SportingArms can get their customers at the front of the line. However, if they are getting a lot of orders on a particular gun, which they can't see that they can fill in a reasonable time, they will drop it from their inventory. Incidentally, right now they have 2 of the Taurus 1911's in stock for $498. Academy, which is close to my house, has one for $569. I asked them why they didn't show how many of an item that they had in inventory. The answer: that would cost money for us to do that, and we are trying to keep our prices as low as possible and still make a reasonable profit. |
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Post by Adam Dieffenbach on May 16, 2007 9:24:19 GMT -5
there are two of the pf-9's on gunbroker.com, by the way. none of the stores in the philadelphia area have them, however.
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Post by TMan on Jul 10, 2007 23:01:35 GMT -5
I talked to SportingArms about the PF-9 again today. One of the owners is going to take care of my guinea pig while I'm in India on my next trip. She mentioned that she had a hard chrome PF-9 coming in the next week or so. Do I want it? Is the pope Catholic? Does a bear... I'm also supposed to get the STI LS9 in a few weeks too. What? No, I don't have pictures of the guns. What? You want to see the guinea pig. Okay, she is special.  |
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Post by MLB on Jul 11, 2007 9:18:15 GMT -5
She's got that Donald Trump combover thing going on....
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Post by TMan on Jul 11, 2007 21:13:13 GMT -5
Good one MLB. As long as she doesn't remind you of Rosie. ;D
I've had her for a year now. Since my next door neighbor moved and took her dogs with her, it was kind of lonesome here.
Jenny is a little unusual being a long-haired guinea pig. She loves the baby carrots that come in the little plastic bags at the grocery store. I call her name and she comes to the door of her cage to take a carrot from my hand. She then takes it from me and purrs as she takes it into her little plastic hut.
So I called her name, she came for her carrot and I snapped the picture.
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Post by TMan on Jul 17, 2007 14:35:38 GMT -5
Callahan, I picked up the one with the Chrome slide today for $284. It is going to be a couple of weeks before I get to go shooting again - more pressing problems.
Chrome? Not like the bumper of the old Chrysler. This has a very dull finish. I was expecting it to be looking more like a nickle finish.
The other thing is the magazine is difficult to remove. Pressing the release button, you have to pull quite hard to remove the magazine.
It came with a little allen wrench for changing the windage on the rear sight. It also has a spare magazine baseplate, which provides a lille more finger engagement
It conceals well in my pocket w/o a pocket holster, but I had a hard time removing it without it getting caught in the pocket. The front and rear sights are of the white dot variety, but of course it is not a target pistol, nor was that any part of the design points.
So this is my 3rd Kel-Tec: the 32, SU-16, and now this. She also has a Hi-Point 9mm with compensator that still hasn't been picked up by the guy that ordered it. She said she would call him this week, and if he no longer wanted it, I could have it (for a small fee of course).
Well, on to my "more pressing problems".
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Post by Callahan on Jul 20, 2007 1:39:20 GMT -5
I'll be interested in hearing about its functionality. I have owned a P32 and a 3AT, both with "chromed" slide. Maybe they should just call them stainless.
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Post by TMan on Aug 2, 2007 22:40:43 GMT -5
The PF-9 is rather interesting in disassembly/reassembly. You have to lock the slide open and then use the case of a round (or snap-cap as I did) to remove the takedown pin. Then the slide just slides off easy.
To replace: you just slide it back on - you wish!!! What happens is the barrel slides backwards into the magazine well. Then you can't move it forward. It is necessary to hold the barrel as you pull the slide backwards or you will never get the barrel in the position needed for replacing the take down pin. It isn't all that easy. There may be some way of holding it that makes it easier, but it sure isn't a 1911.
The good news is the DAO trigger is breaking at 5-3/4lbs. Nice!!! However, it is a long pull. Again, not a 1911.
If I can sleep through the night, I'll take it and the STI LS9 to the range tomorrrow.
Oh, when I picked up Jenny (the guinea pig) and my LS9, Becky had two of the regular PF-9's on her desk. I looked at one, and I really like the "chrome" one better. ($246 for regular - $294 for chrome).
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